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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Garbatellamike
(Post 12402257)
Yes. If it's worth doing it's worth doing properly.
But the infrastructure is already (mostly) in place, and those who understand it have known this all along. It's down to individual member States agreeing on sharing sovereignty. And that's a political, not a practical barrier. There are some who realise that a Europe as a bonafide state would be quite powerful, and that's pretty intimidating for some. But this is just nationalist ideology. Has little to do with practicality. In Britain's case, the wisest thing it could have ever done is to champion it while being transparent to its desire to stay to moved from it (as Churchill envisioned). Then Britain could have remained a key partner to the world's largest economy while not being part of it (if that's what it really wants). But no, apparently the overriding wisdom was to demonise its most important trading partner, openly wishing for its demise, making it the enemy. Brilliant. |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 12402267)
Well, for the long term, it's really the only option. But it will require a very different structure, one that simply cannot exist as things are, because it's not yet a federal republic. That's why it will need to change.
But the infrastructure is already (mostly) in place, and those who understand it have known this all along. It's down to individual member States agreeing on sharing sovereignty. And that's a political, not a practical barrier. There are some who realise that a Europe as a bonafide state would be quite powerful, and that's pretty intimidating for some. But this is just nationalist ideology. Has little to do with practicality. In Britain's case, the wisest thing it could have ever done is to champion it while being transparent to its desire to stay to moved from it (as Churchill envisioned). Then Britain could have remained a key partner to the world's largest economy while not being part of it (if that's what it really wants). But no, apparently the overriding wisdom was to demonise its most important trading partner, openly wishing for its demise, making it the enemy. Brilliant. |
Re: Post EU Referendum
May still wanting her cake and eat it, whilst also enjoying the EU's one :rofl:
Very sad though that 1,5 years after voting for Brexit, May and her smurfs finally had a meeting about what they want ... It lasted a whole hour and 45 minutes (!!!) and all came out again (meaning nobody got killed in the process). Can anyone tell me what May's famous ''Plan'' was ? She has been saying all this time that she has a ''Plan'' and I'm still in the dark what it was (apart from the cake-bit). Theresa May hits back at EU over bespoke Brexit deal | The Independent |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Annetje
(Post 12402219)
Try again, I'm sure you can do better ;)
The entire tenure of José Manuel Durão Barroso as President of the Commission and most especially its culminating in him becoming non-executive chairman at Goldman Sachs shortly after his term of office ended. https://corporateeurope.org/revolvin...gerous-liaison |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Annetje
(Post 12402275)
May still wanting her cake and eat it, whilst also enjoying the EU's one :rofl:
Very sad though that 1,5 years after voting for Brexit, May and her smurfs finally had a meeting about what they want ... It lasted a whole hour and 45 minutes (!!!) and all came out again (meaning nobody got killed in the process). Can anyone tell me what May's famous ''Plan'' was ? She has been saying all this time that she has a ''Plan'' and I'm still in the dark what it was (apart from the cake-bit). Theresa May hits back at EU over bespoke Brexit deal | The Independent Don't know only guessing ;) |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Garbatellamike
(Post 12402280)
Let me have a go - there is no plan because Cameron, Osborne et al were so sure of their brilliance that they didn't think they'd lose the referendum?
Don't know only guessing ;) It's leavers who are responsible for what ever happens, not those who wanted the UK to remain. |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Garbatellamike
(Post 12402280)
Let me have a go - there is no plan because Cameron, Osborne et al were so sure of their brilliance that they didn't think they'd lose the referendum?
Don't know only guessing ;) |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 12402288)
If it weren't for the well known leave lies, remain would have surely won. I don't think anyone could have, or did predict that. It was quite a shock to everyone when the result was announced. Even farage didn't expect it.
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 12402288)
If it weren't for the well known leave lies, remain would have surely won. I don't think anyone could have, or did predict that. It was quite a shock to everyone when the result was announced. Even farage didn't expect it.
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 12402288)
If it weren't for the well known leave lies, remain would have surely won. I don't think anyone could have, or did predict that. It was quite a shock to everyone when the result was announced. Even farage didn't expect it.
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Re: Post EU Referendum
I decided that leaving would be a good idea circa 2000.
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by la mancha
(Post 12402296)
You mean if it weren't for the well known Remain lies, Remain would have walked it.
When it comes to blatant lies , quasi racism and outright misinformation the total spectrum of the leave side is in a universe of its own. |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Richard8655
(Post 12402295)
And I always thought Americans were the most guillible in the western world (i.e., Trump will protect workers). I should have known better after seeing the British tabloids perpetuate pro-Brexit deceptions and distortions with readers eagerly responding.
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by la mancha
(Post 12402296)
You mean if it weren't for the well known Remain lies, Remain would have walked it.
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by la mancha
(Post 12402296)
You mean if it weren't for the well known Remain lies, Remain would have walked it.
I thought Leave won because ordinary people had had enough of the elites not understanding their lives. Now you are saying that if Remain had not lied in some way you do not specify, people would have in fact voted to stay - which is saying that the basic, factual, existing situation was actually ok, the vote only went the way it did because Remain didn't explain those facts correctly. Which is a totally different thing. |
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