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The UK has only had 3 national Referendum votes 1975, 2011 and 2016 so its not a common occurrence.
The concept of a referendum was widely seen in British politics as "unconstitutional" and an "alien device".
Two of these referendums were held on the issue of the United Kingdom's relationship with Europe.
The 2011 AV referendum on the proposal to use the alternative vote system in parliamentary elections is the only UK-wide referendum that has been held on a domestic issue.

Would you trust the voters with another referendum based on previous experiences?

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I think that should be, would you trust the Tory nutters and the gutter press to present a reasoned argument concerning whatever the question might be?

Nope.

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Really?

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Funniest. Post. Evah!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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So much negativity for an event that has yet to happen. You people say you want to see a Brexit that is best for the UK and the British people, well, the UK apart, which has/is/will always do well, the British people have been lied to and sold out to the EU project and now they are saying they have had enough. What is it about this you do not understand? Some here ask in what way will, for example, traditional Labour supporters who voted to leave benefit from leaving the EU. The answer is what has belonging to the EU done for them the past forty years? Four recessions and two financial crises and now low wages and unaffordable housing due to a deluge in the number of member state citizens flooding into the UK (something we can thank Labour for) because their home nations cannot look after them.

Four out of the top five nations in the developed world with the highest rate of unemployment are in the EU. What are they doing about it that shows tangible numerical results? Nothing. Why? Maybe because the UK will help them out by taking in all their unskilled labour, thus lessening the home burden. We make it too easy for them. Maybe the UK leaving will be a wake-up call to every member state to get off their backsides and do something to create home employment.

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If your entire premise wasn't demonstrably false, you might have a point. But it is, and you don't.

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A more coordinated message might help:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...exit-deal-vote

What's surprising is that Brexit voters don't consider the backgrounds of the hard core Brexit proponents and ask, are these people likely to represent my interests?

- Mogg
- Gove
- BoJo
- Redwood
- Weatherspoons idiot
- Isabel Oakeshott

It's not a substitute for proper analysis, but a shortcut for those that don't want to get into the detail.

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Whose figures are you citing and which are they?

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Oh, why bother asking?

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Some Brits have been brainwashed to think that, but it simply is not the case. Do you not remember the Sick Man of Europe? And as for the current EU, Britain built it, not singlehandedly, but as a major member. We're in it because, geographically the Europe is next door, and trade tends to be done with geographically close neighbours. We leave, we can trade elsewhere, but at higher cost and probably reduced volume. There is no economic benefit in it. If you prefer to swap low cost immigrant labour from Europeans to Asians (as it's becoming completely evident on how reliant Britain is for external labour) that's a valid argument, but don't try and sell the pie in the sky argument. Whatever gains we make ex-EU will be dwarfed by losses from the EU.

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Yes, on 2nd thoughts, forget it la mancha. I haven't the time anyway.

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Yes true, that’s how effective government works. The opposition must oppose but also must be selective in what should be opposed.

But in this case, not opposing is colluding in passively allowing a potential generational disaster. Something like this needs as much maximum criticism and devil’s advocacy as possible. This isn’t one of the many minor bills before Parliament. It’s a sea change for the country.

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First bold: Which is why Corbyn is playing a hand close to his chest. Labour have no need to be the "cause" of anything. The Tories will self destruct without external help. I'd add that Corbyn's success in the last election was largely due to inspiring the generation who will/would pay the price of a hard Brexit. A lot more young voters will be in play next time.

Second bold: They don't need a huge lead right now. Especially if doing so involves steps opening them to vilification later on.


Third bold:So the plan is working very well.

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I would be much more comfortable with a referendum which was much better worded so those voting for Brexit realized that for many they will not get at all what they thought they were voting for - if Brexit was still voted for at least some it would be with eyes a bit wider open- I suspect it would lose a second time around. Which is kind of ironic those who claim following the vote for the first referendum is just pure democracy, are scared of a second vote because democracy may give a different result.

ECJ must be a scary bunch to make a country go against its economic interests so dramatically just to get away fro its rules.