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Old Nov 24th 2017, 2:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Assanah View Post
I think that this is a real nice summary of the situation. It isn't all about money but friendship and neighborship, peace and stability. The stronger supporting the weaker. If that all doesn't count in Britain the country is indeed better off own.
One can be a friendly, peaceful, stable neighbour without living in the same house.

The UK is one of the very few countries to spend the 0.7% GDP on foreign aid and the 2% NATO target on defence - have a look at your wonderful EU members to see who else does that.
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Old Nov 24th 2017, 3:09 pm
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One can be a friendly, peaceful, stable neighbour without living in the same house.

The UK is one of the very few countries to spend the 0.7% GDP on foreign aid and the 2% NATO target on defence - have a look at your wonderful EU members to see who else does that.
Yes you could be but if you already shit your pants because of your ridiculously low payments into the EU budget I seriously doubt you will.

And just so that you know the biggest contributor to foreign aid BY FAR is the EU. That's where your precious money goes into stabilizing the Middle East ( which you so actively, brutally and coldly help destabilize), to stabilize Africa and Asia which have suffered immensely because of your racist and aggressive colonization of those countries. Seeing your global guilt, 0.7% is frankly quite laughable.
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Old Nov 24th 2017, 3:56 pm
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Yes you could be but if you already shit your pants because of your ridiculously low payments into the EU budget I seriously doubt you will.

And just so that you know the biggest contributor to foreign aid BY FAR is the EU. That's where your precious money goes into stabilizing the Middle East ( which you so actively, brutally and coldly help destabilize), to stabilize Africa and Asia which have suffered immensely because of your racist and aggressive colonization of those countries. Seeing your global guilt, 0.7% is frankly quite laughable.
Do you have any links to show your EU claim so we can see how it is calculated?

The EU has no money itself, it only has it's members money of which the UK is the second largest contributor.

Often when people quote EU numbers when it comes to aid they are actually quoting the addition of the 28 countries individual aid and attributing it to the EU - the UK is the largest aid donor in the EU and globally is the second largest donor after the USA.

I'll ignore you rant about colonisation, racism, cold brutality, etc - it's clear your anti-Britishness is blinding you.
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....the 2% NATO target on defence - have a look at your wonderful EU members to see who else does that.
You probably weren't around when this was discussed before but the 2% non-binding guideline suggestion was agreed upon as a ten year plan in 2014. Good of the UK to continue unnecessarily overspending during that time but not at all a bad reflection on the other EU member states for not instantly doing so. In fact, the only reason most people are aware of this suggestion at all is because of Trump's whingeing - and he obviously has a vested interest in selling lots of lovely military hardware to assist in the meeting of it. Hardly worth less well-off EU member states trashing their economies in an effort to meet such a loosely arranged agreement ahead of a non-existent deadline, anyway.
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The UK's gross contribution to the EU is around £17 billion a year, they give some of our own money back to us for things like regional regeneration, farming subsidies etc and our net we give to the EU is around £9 billion a year.

There is zero German money given to the UK, just as there is zero money from any other EU country, we are a net contributor.
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Old Nov 24th 2017, 7:27 pm
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Incomes are squeezed when there is a surplus of labour and employers do not need to compete for workers - the supply of labour exceeds the demand.

Whilst the UK unemployment rate is low, the UK unemployed are no longer the reserve pool of labour for the UK employment market because it has been extended to include millions of keen and impoverished Europeans who cannot obtain work in their own countries.

Once the historic rates of high net immigration the UK has experienced over the past 10+ years starts to subside after brexit, labour will start to gain bargaining power and living standards will rise.

This will also have a positive impact on the UK's productivity and will incentivise investment in automation and in product substitution away from low value labour intensive products.

This will take a few years to shake-out, both for government to finally control immigration and for business to get over the immediate uncertainty of brexit and start to invest.
Seems, in order to get a trade deal with India, the UK might have to exchange the ''impoverished Europeans'' with Indian workers and it seems Australia has the same demands.

No doubt, our expert will soon be around to explain that free movement from India is not the same as free movement from the EU ...

Brexit: Britain should accept more immigrants if it wants a free trade deal, senior Indian diplomat warns | The Independent

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You do understand what "net" contributor means? This was British money.
If Liverpool's City of Culture funding hadn't come from the EU, and the UK hadn't paid that amount to the EU, would the UK government had funded Liverpool to the same amount? I very much doubt it.

Post-Brexit, UK regions that were to receive EU funding (such as Cornwall, Wales and the North-East), those regions have already been told last year by the UK government that they'll be unlikely to receive funding from HM Treasury.

Westminster could take over funding from the EU for the 2023 UK City of Culture, and run it every 5 years. But they won't. The UK could fund the UK projects that the EU funded in the UK in regions of need, but they won't. Especially as many of those regions voted to leave, ironically.
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Indians are far better than those farkin' Europeans. They're part of the empire, for Christ's sake.
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Old Nov 24th 2017, 8:57 pm
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Seems, in order to get a trade deal with India, the UK might have to exchange the ''impoverished Europeans'' with Indian workers and it seems Australia has the same demands.

No doubt, our expert will soon be around to explain that free movement from India is not the same as free movement from the EU ...

Brexit: Britain should accept more immigrants if it wants a free trade deal, senior Indian diplomat warns | The Independent
You don't need to be an expert to read the link!

Quote---"I am not talking about unfettered access or unrestricted travel"--"I'm talking about movement of professionals and it has to be a two-way exchange not just one way".

In fact this is old news, it was discussed when Mrs May visited soon after the referendum. Since that time visa applications for Indian business people have been speeded up and visa restrictions for travel to India (including business visas) have been relaxed.
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Old Nov 24th 2017, 9:10 pm
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Incomes are squeezed when there is a surplus of labour and employers do not need to compete for workers - the supply of labour exceeds the demand.

Whilst the UK unemployment rate is low, the UK unemployed are no longer the reserve pool of labour for the UK employment market because it has been extended to include millions of keen and impoverished Europeans who cannot obtain work in their own countries.

Once the historic rates of high net immigration the UK has experienced over the past 10+ years starts to subside after brexit, labour will start to gain bargaining power and living standards will rise.
You see the labour pool shrinking and the amount of work available remaining static (or increasing?)?

Good luck with that one

Just so we've got some sort of mark in the sand here, how long after Brexit do you envisage this increased bargaining power happening? 'Cos it sure as hell didn't happen last time we had a government of the sort that caters to your tastes.
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You probably weren't around when this was discussed before but the 2% non-binding guideline suggestion was agreed upon as a ten year plan in 2014. Good of the UK to continue unnecessarily overspending during that time but not at all a bad reflection on the other EU member states for not instantly doing so. In fact, the only reason most people are aware of this suggestion at all is because of Trump's whingeing - and he obviously has a vested interest in selling lots of lovely military hardware to assist in the meeting of it. Hardly worth less well-off EU member states trashing their economies in an effort to meet such a loosely arranged agreement ahead of a non-existent deadline, anyway.
https://www.economist.com/blogs/grap...daily-chart-11
the target of 2% of GDP that NATO members all agreed to in 2006. At the time six members reached the threshold; last year five did.
2006 - 11 years ago, yet the virtue-signalling Germans, French and Italians haven't stepped up to the plate and contributed properly to all our defence, leaving it to the Yanks, Brits and Poles to be the ones footing the bill - disgusting.
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Seems, in order to get a trade deal with India, the UK might have to exchange the ''impoverished Europeans'' with Indian workers and it seems Australia has the same demands.

No doubt, our expert will soon be around to explain that free movement from India is not the same as free movement from the EU ...

Brexit: Britain should accept more immigrants if it wants a free trade deal, senior Indian diplomat warns | The Independent
As Bipat has indicated, making the skilled worker visa application process easier is not the same as permitting hundreds of thousands of Europeans a year to mooch over as they like - many to end up working in jobs that are paid so little they require a range of in-work benefits.

The Indian High Commissioners quote from your own link being:
I’m not talking about unfettered access or unrestricted travel, I’m talking about movement of professionals, movement of doctors, technicians, engineers. I think both sides will benefit from this exchange and obviously it has to be a two-way exchange not just one way
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I am in the far East ,hopefully adding to my knowledge of other cultures and confirming yet again that those idiots who talk about dictatorships, restrictions to our freedoms, the role of the judiciary etc do not have a clue about the real world where such matters really do influence the daily lives of millions. .
Hi - hope you're having a lovely time

While you're here, could you just clear up a little something for us? Bipat reckons you think all non EU citizens in the UK should drop any loyalty they have to their country of birth and acquire UK citizenship as a minimum step towards integration.

Is that true?
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I generally avoid the ROFL icon. But this one deserves it.

Feel free to show where the arithmetic is wrong.
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