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Cape Blue Nov 19th 2017 1:45 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12385267)
The equivalent of "we were only following orders" or "If I don't exploit them, someone else will". The truth is that, unlike in other countrries, there is no social consicience in renting accommodation as a business, it is just a "get rich quick" scheme....... and before you demur, let's note the huge distortion in the housing market caused by "buy to let" and the huge reported drop in such mortgages now that the "rewards" of renting have been constrained a little. As for employers paying "the market rate", well 'twas ever thus, hence the rise of the Trade Unions - who sets the rate, the workers or the employers?

No, we live in a capitalist economy and all companies sell their wares at the best price they can command in the market, landlords are no different in this than Tesco or Next. Landlords do not "get rich quick", the returns are merely OK and appropriate for the risks involved.

There is no distortion, we have had around 650,000 people a year move to the UK the majority of whom will not be in a position to purchase a property and will require a private rental, landlords have merely responded to this increase in demand - an appropriate reaction of the market, not a distortion.

The drop in mortgages partly reflects the surge prior to the SDLT changes in 2016.

The rate is set by both the employer and the employee - if the employer offers £8/hr and no one applies for the job they have to offer more - it's only the market rate when an employee wants to take the job.

Cape Blue Nov 19th 2017 1:47 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12385287)
Careful with your tongue, you might cut yourself... such empathy!! However, they did not return to Portugal because "life is so much sweeter", they left because of uncertainty for their future in the UK and increasing abuse from certain people who seem to think that Brexit excuses them for attacking anyone they perceive as "different".

My nurse was an experienced graduate who spoke almost perfect English and was highly regarded by both other patents and her colleagues. Good luck finding a replacement any time soon......

There is no uncertainty, everyone knows that existing EU migrants will be allowed to stay, this has been clearly stated by T May amongst many others.

There is no increase in abuse, just a post-referendum increase in reporting.

007Steve Nov 19th 2017 1:48 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12385303)
As usual, it is a remainiac talking about Britannia ruling the waves.

Ambridge isn't a documentary?

I'm not sure what your fish diatribe is meant to signify.

I used to live and work in the USA and in Spain, I have worked in 17 countries and traveled in more than I can remember. My neighbours are all transient foreigners so I don't really know them.

There is no ego involved in discussion the pros and cons of the EU and Brexit, apart from that of the remainiacs and extreme brexiters who seem to garner some ego from spouting their hate and abuse.

.. Throw all the bile you want, it bounces off.
You can't marshal a single coherent reason for the opinions, and when cornered go in for slogans and contempt; - so you can use your favourite word - 'petulant'. You have my sympathy.

Former Lancastrian Nov 19th 2017 1:51 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 
Don't worry housing problem solved
Philip Hammond says next week's Budget will set out how the government will build 300,000 new homes a year.
He said it was "not acceptable" that young people find it so hard to buy a home, and promised to set out how the government would keep its "pledge to the next generation".
He did not commit to the £50bn reportedly being demanded by Communities Secretary Sajid Javid to finance a house-building drive, but committed to the target of 300,000 new homes in England.
He insisted the government was delivering new homes at record levels, with 217,350 "additional dwellings" in England last year, but acknowledged more needed to be done.

So crisis averted carry on.
Budget 2017: Plans to build 300,000 homes a year - BBC News

Cape Blue Nov 19th 2017 1:52 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by 007Steve (Post 12385322)
.. Throw all the bile you want, it bounces off.
You can't marshal a single coherent reason for the opinions, and when cornered go in for slogans and contempt; - so you can use your favourite word - 'petulant'. You have my sympathy.

I'm merely responding to your own tone.

I have marshaled many arguments, you have just shouted "bigot" and "rule Britannia" in response to them.

Cape Blue Nov 19th 2017 1:55 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12385323)
Don't worry housing problem solved
Philip Hammond says next week's Budget will set out how the government will build 300,000 new homes a year.
He said it was "not acceptable" that young people find it so hard to buy a home, and promised to set out how the government would keep its "pledge to the next generation".
He did not commit to the £50bn reportedly being demanded by Communities Secretary Sajid Javid to finance a house-building drive, but committed to the target of 300,000 new homes in England.
He insisted the government was delivering new homes at record levels, with 217,350 "additional dwellings" in England last year, but acknowledged more needed to be done.

So crisis averted carry on.
Budget 2017: Plans to build 300,000 homes a year - BBC News

A pledge to the next generation ....... of foreigners ;)

(noting that 28% of kids born in the UK are to foreign mothers)

macliam Nov 19th 2017 2:04 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12385320)
There is no uncertainty, everyone knows that existing EU migrants will be allowed to stay, this has been clearly stated by T May amongst many others.

The terms for people remaining in the UK have not been clarified - which is why discussion is ongoing, so your assertion is false. Or perhaps these foreigners are just stupid and don't understand what's going on, eh?

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12385320)
There is no increase in abuse, just a post-referendum increase in reporting.

Keep telling yourself that - at least one person might believe you. Reported "race crimes" leapt by 41% in the 6 months after Brexit and even the Daily Express (hardly a left-wing mouthpiece) is reporting this, amonst many other individul reports of abuse.

macliam Nov 19th 2017 2:07 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12385317)
No, we live in a capitalist economy and all companies sell their wares at the best price they can command in the market, landlords are no different in this than Tesco or Next. Landlords do not "get rich quick", the returns are merely OK and appropriate for the risks involved.

There is no distortion, we have had around 650,000 people a year move to the UK the majority of whom will not be in a position to purchase a property and will require a private rental, landlords have merely responded to this increase in demand - an appropriate reaction of the market, not a distortion.

The drop in mortgages partly reflects the surge prior to the SDLT changes in 2016.

The rate is set by both the employer and the employee - if the employer offers £8/hr and no one applies for the job they have to offer more - it's only the market rate when an employee wants to take the job.

Unregulated captalism is a cancer - all your arguments have been made before by other apologists for exploitation.

Cape Blue Nov 19th 2017 2:08 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12385330)
The terms for people remaining in the UK have not been clarified - which is why discussion is ongoing, so your assertion is false. Or perhaps these foreigners are just stupid and don't understand what's going on, eh?

Keep telling yourself that - at least one person might believe you. Reported "race crimes" leapt by 41% in the 6 months after Brexit and even the Daily Express (hardly a left-wing mouthpiece) is reporting this, amonst many other individul reports of abuse.

The key terms are all agreed, they will be able to stay and work and live etc.

Yes, reported crimes.

Cape Blue Nov 19th 2017 2:10 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12385332)
Unregulated captalism is a cancer - all your arguments have been made before by other apologists for exploitation.

Price fixing ends up with hunger and economic collapse.

Landlords are highly regulated.

The market price is not exploitation.

Former Lancastrian Nov 19th 2017 2:13 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12385334)
The key terms are all agreed, they will be able to stay and work and live etc.

Yes, reported crimes.

Well they cant report on them if they have not been reported;) Now have they delved into the figures of these 41% and split them into race crimes against EU member people or non EU people.
Is the average hard working German, French, Dutch or other being told to **** off back to your own country?

macliam Nov 19th 2017 2:21 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12385335)
Price fixing ends up with hunger and economic collapse.

Landlords are highly regulated.

The market price is not exploitation.


Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12385334)
The key terms are all agreed, they will be able to stay and work and live etc.

Yes, reported crimes.

That's it, don't let the truth get in the way of your opinion....

Cape Blue Nov 19th 2017 2:28 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12385337)
Well they cant report on them if they have not been reported;) Now have they delved into the figures of these 41% and split them into race crimes against EU member people or non EU people.
Is the average hard working German, French, Dutch or other being told to **** off back to your own country?

Indeed - is it actual crimes increasing or the reporting of crimes increasing.

jimenato Nov 19th 2017 2:28 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12385334)
The key terms are all agreed, they will be able to stay and work and live etc.

Yes, reported crimes.

What makes you think actual crimes/abuse have not increased?

Cape Blue Nov 19th 2017 2:28 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12385348)
That's it, don't let the truth get in the way of your opinion....

Feel free to counter the arguments rather than just throw abuse.


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