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macliam Nov 17th 2017 10:50 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12384061)
Watching yesterday's Daily Politics yesterday the " border " issue was being discussed.
The " hard " brexit Tory referred to cross border trade as being of little significance with the Republic having far more to lose than the North and the UK.
Old attitudes are firmly ingrained in some.
Nothing would please them more than for the Republic to break ranks and agree its own trading terms with the UK.

Not gonna happen...... Simon Coveney: Ireland 'jumping into dark' on Brexit

EMR Nov 17th 2017 11:28 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12384088)

Good for them.

Red Eric Nov 17th 2017 11:36 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12384013)
The final court is supreme.

You missed a bit.

The final court is supreme in some matters. And there will be the same, or another, final supreme court in the future, in some matters.

Red Eric Nov 17th 2017 11:42 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 
I see the government's about to drop the fixing of the Brexit date into law :-


Downing Street has slapped down suggestions that the government is preparing to drop its attempt to fix the date of Brexit as 29 March 2019, despite the serious prospect of losing a vote on the issue in the Commons.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...date-of-brexit

Red Eric Nov 17th 2017 12:20 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 
You know that thing where posters get upbraided by readers of the Brexiter hymn-sheet for using the word "Europe" when it's clear they mean "the EU"?

Looks like that one's off the menu now. David Davis, arch Eurosceptic and Brexiteer-in-chief :


Speaking a week after the EU’s chief negotiatior, Michel Barnier, set the UK a two-week deadline to commit to a higher financial settlement, Davis said the UK and these other countries were looking to Germany and France to compromise on whether sufficient progress had been made to allow the talks to move to the next phase.

“Germany and France are the most powerful players on the European continent,” he said. “So what they believe is very influential, sometimes decisively so. But it is a whole-of-Europe decision, it is a 27-country decision.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...talks-deadlock

Thanks, Dave :thumbup:

Lion in Winter Nov 17th 2017 12:45 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12384166)
You know that thing where posters get upbraided by readers of the Brexiter hymn-sheet for using the word "Europe" when it's clear they mean "the EU"?

Looks like that one's off the menu now. David Davis, arch Eurosceptic and Brexiteer-in-chief :


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...talks-deadlock

Thanks, Dave :thumbup:


Sorry, but you forgot to preface that quote and link with the required "even in The Guardian" phrase, so your comment is null and void. Do not pass Go, do not collect 200 pounds.

macliam Nov 17th 2017 1:11 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 
David Davis: the UK has "been offering some creative compromises and not always got them back".Brexit: David Davis says the EU must compromise too - BBC News

Ummm, why should they? The EU has an agreed position, it was presented to the UK government before discussions began. At base, the EU is not responsible for the fact that the UK has decided to leave, but it is responsible to see through plans that were made and committed to whilst the UK was a member and to ensure that they are neither impacted or left as a poison chalice for the remaining membership; to see that future costs in relation to the period of the UKs membership are covered (e.g. pensions) and to agree the costs of the UK remaining in EU projects where the UK wishes to continue playing a role. Those are understandable requirements, not a "penalty", not "Blackmail".

If the UK's suggested "compromises" have not been accepted, maybe it's because they were inadequate - such as the total lack of detail on how the issue of Ireland is to be resolved and the continuing lack of detail on what is, or is not, going to be funded post-Brexit. Why should the EU applaud the posturing of the UK government, when it is they who have been forced into this negotiation in the first place?!!

The UK has already reneged on it's membership of the EU, so why should the other members have any faith in what has been said? May's "offer" to continue paying contributions for the period of the current budget doesn't cover the requirements - and the rest is just hot air. Fine words butter no parsnips - show us the money!

..... and that's business.

Lion in Winter Nov 17th 2017 1:18 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12384200)
David Davis: the UK has "been offering some creative compromises and not always got them back".Brexit: David Davis says the EU must compromise too - BBC News

Ummm, why should they? The EU has an agreed position, it was presented to the UK government before discussions began. At base, the EU is not responsible for the fact that the UK has decided to leave, but it is responsible to see through plans that were made and committed to whilst the UK was a member and to ensure that they are neither impacted or left as a poison chalice for the remaining membership; to see that future costs in relation to the period of the UKs membership are covered (e.g. pensions) and to agree the costs of the UK remaining in EU projects where the UK wishes to continue playing a role. Those are understandable requirements, not a "penalty", not "Blackmail".

If the UK's suggested "compromises" have not been accepted, maybe it's because they were inadequate - such as the total lack of detail on how the issue of Ireland is to be resolved and the continuing lack of detail on what is, or is not, going to be funded post-Brexit. Why should the EU applaud the posturing of the UK government, when it is they who have been forced into this negotiation in the first place?!!

The UK has already reneged on it's membership of the EU, so why should the other members have any faith in what has been said? May's "offer" to continue paying contributions for the period of the current budget doesn't cover the requirements - and the rest is just hot air. Fine words butter no parsnips - show us the money!

..... and that's business.

But, but, what happened to "the UK holds all the cards"?

EMR Nov 17th 2017 1:28 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12384205)
But, but, what happened to "the UK holds all the cards"?

"They need us more than we need them "

" Brexit means Brexit "

There must be more ?

Former Lancastrian Nov 17th 2017 1:37 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 
An unbiased statement

I think most Brexiteers have left this thread except maybe for 1 or 2.
Why do they need to participate in this thread? They won the vote and now have a tentative date of March 2019 when it happens.
Its the Remainers continuing this thread.

macliam Nov 17th 2017 2:07 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12384205)
But, but, what happened to "the UK holds all the cards"?

:rofl:

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12384212)
"They need us more than we need them "

" Brexit means Brexit "

There must be more ?

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
It's good looking back, eh?!!

macliam Nov 17th 2017 2:11 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12384218)
An unbiased statement

I think most Brexiteers have left this thread except maybe for 1 or 2.
Why do they need to participate in this thread? They won the vote and now have a tentative date of March 2019 when it happens.
Its the Remainers continuing this thread.

An equally unbiased response

I think they didn't know or care how Brexit would happen - and they still don't.
Better to keep their heads in the sand, otherwise they might see things they don't like......

After all, they can revert to incessant whingeing when it all goes wrong!

Former Lancastrian Nov 17th 2017 2:17 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12384247)

After all, they can revert to incessant whingeing when it all goes wrong!

Sort of like Remainers then :rofl: So they are one in the same.

007Steve Nov 17th 2017 2:26 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12384258)
Sort of like Remainers then :rofl: So they are one in the same.

tisk-tisk F.L. :ohmy: ... social niceties please.....
Remainers are salaried middle-class management. All others are zero-hours contracted grunts without understanding of "the terrible complexities" involved....:sneaky:

macliam Nov 17th 2017 2:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12384258)
Sort of like Remainers then :rofl: So they are one in the same.

But remainers aren't the ones claiming you have ONE vote and then you can ***** off, forever, whatever.

Brexiteers never expected to win, which is why those in the firing line p*ssed off as quick as they could, leaving behind only those who decided to front it out or were too slow to jump. Now, slowly, those politicians who had suddenly run up huge laundry bills after the referendum are seeing a way of making capital out of the situation......

We can trade with Mars, we can sell fridges to Eskimos, Europe needs us more than we need them .... and now complaints that the Europeans aren't playing the game, but are in it to win. :blink:

If the game goes to the final whistle and the UK is left trading penalties with Germany........ well, we've all seen it before:huh:


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