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Bipat Nov 16th 2017 2:38 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12383472)
I'm getting a bit lost here. Is the main benefit to leaving the EU that the nationality of the people picking our carrots will change? :confused:

No it is not the "benefit"--just one difference, Post Brexit migrants wishing to work or live in the UK will be viewed on criteria other than their country of origin. Whether they will fill needed occupations etc.

What is the problem with that?

EMR Nov 16th 2017 3:02 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12383530)
No it is not the "benefit"--just one difference, Post Brexit migrants wishing to work or live in the UK will be viewed on criteria other than their country of origin. Whether they will fill needed occupations etc.

What is the problem with that?

Applicants will be considered taking into account factors such as availability, ease of recruitment.
Those from just a few hundred miles away will always be easier to recruit, employ on a temporary basis if needed than those from a few thousand miles away.
So their country of origin will and always will be a factor.
Apart from any political issues that will have to be considered.

Assanah Nov 16th 2017 3:12 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12383530)
No it is not the "benefit"--just one difference, Post Brexit migrants wishing to work or live in the UK will be viewed on criteria other than their country of origin. Whether they will fill needed occupations etc.

What is the problem with that?

Oh please I am sure that massive bulge of Indian immigrants in the UK is caused by other Indians already being in the UK and bringing in friends and families. So hopefully the UK will finally end that stupid family reunification and start replacing the unjustified high amount of Indian immigrants with Chinese. Then we will finally have a just balance in the UK.

Bipat Nov 16th 2017 3:14 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12383546)
Applicants will be considered taking into account factors availability, ease of recruitment.
Those from just a few hundred miles away will always be easier to recruit, employ on a temporary basis if needed than those from a few thousand miles away.
So their country of origin will and always will be a factor.

Obviously more people from near countries will apply for short term seasonal jobs. However that is the applicant choice to apply not a recruitment choice. Whoever applies will have to fulfil the same criteria of capability to do the job.
People do go abroad to do short term seasonal work with double purpose in viewing the country. Back-Packers are not just from Europe!
However as you say obviously most applicants for short term work will be from near countries.

Which political issues are you thinking of?

Bipat Nov 16th 2017 3:26 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Assanah (Post 12383552)
Oh please I am sure that massive bulge of Indian immigrants in the UK is caused by other Indians already being in the UK and bringing in friends and families. So hopefully the UK will finally end that stupid family reunification and start replacing the unjustified high amount of Indian immigrants with Chinese. Then we will finally have a just balance in the UK.

Free movement from there ended in 1962, so it is an aging population to some extent and therefore far less dependent relatives. Much of the bulge was for post war NHS, bus driver, factory jobs etc.*
There is no system to bring in friends!
Polish origin people are of equal number now.
Chinese have the greatest number of students.


*Many came because they wanted to see what the home of British people was like--they got a nasty shock when they found out all the people were not wealthy and wonderful like those that ruled them but they made the best of it and stayed.

EMR Nov 16th 2017 3:33 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12383556)
Obviously more people from near countries will apply for short term seasonal jobs. However that is the applicant choice to apply not a recruitment choice. Whoever applies will have to fulfil the same criteria of capability to do the job.
People do go abroad to do short term seasonal work with double purpose in viewing the country. Back-Packers are not just from Europe!
However as you say obviously most applicants for short term work will be from near countries.

Which political issues are you thinking of?

What ever agreement , transitional or otherwise we reach with the EU.
Protecting our trade with the EU will be the first or should be the first priority.
There are very few backpackers doing the hard dirty seasonal work in the UK
It's not like grape picking in Provence with a holiday.

jimenato Nov 16th 2017 3:47 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12383530)
... Post Brexit migrants wishing to work or live in the UK will be viewed on criteria other than their country of origin. Whether they will fill needed occupations etc.
...

Will they?

iano Nov 16th 2017 5:07 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12383350)
Regarding the ECJ, I am still waiting and have been waiting for at least two years for a Brexiter any Brexiter to give any examples of how the ECJ has negativly impacted on them or the UK.

Yes, you have, and our ever dwindling band of Brexiteers continue to neatly sidestep that particular question.

Strange how Brexiteers are happy to share sovereignty within NATO and WTO, but not the ECJ. All these organisations have always had British representation, and occasionally leadership, with the ECJ overseeing a level playing field for the single market.

In the absence of any answer to your question, a cynic would reasonably conclude that they've all just bought into the selective 'reclaim our sovereignty' narrative emanating from the Eton/Oxford Set and their powerful backers. There's no questioning at all of the naked power grab which lies behind this pantomime, just a silent acceptance. Very sad.

Bipat Nov 16th 2017 5:17 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by iano (Post 12383630)
Yes, you have, and our ever dwindling band of Brexiteers continue to neatly sidestep that particular question.

Strange how Brexiteers are happy to share sovereignty within NATO and WTO, but not the ECJ. All these organisations have always had British representation, and occasionally leadership, with the ECJ overseeing a level playing field for the single market.

In the absence of any answer to your question, a cynic would reasonably conclude that they've all just bought into the selective 'reclaim our sovereignty' narrative emanating from the Eton/Oxford Set and their powerful backers. There's no questioning at all of the naked power grab which lies behind this pantomime, just a silent acceptance. Very sad.

I have seen raised the inability to deport foreign criminals bcause of ECJ rulings.
NATO and WTO 'law' is not supreme over British national law as is EU law.

The ECJ and the primacy of EU Law over national laws

EMR Nov 16th 2017 5:35 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12383640)
I have seen raised the inability to deport foreign criminals bcause of ECJ rulings.
NATO and WTO 'law' is not supreme over British national law as is EU law.

The ECJ and the primacy of EU Law over national laws

Your link is not from an unbiased source but from Vote leave.
The failure to deport criminals in high profile cases has often been down to a failure by the British judicial system.
ECJ laws protect all Brits living in the EU.
But you have voted to take that away from them.
There is nothing to stop the UK now passing laws to remove the protection provided by the ECK.
Again you have voted to take that away from us and you.

Our obligations to NATO are covered by a treaty.
WTO rules apply in international trade and are lauded by Brexiters.

Lion in Winter Nov 16th 2017 5:36 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12383530)
No it is not the "benefit"--just one difference, Post Brexit migrants wishing to work or live in the UK will be viewed on criteria other than their country of origin. Whether they will fill needed occupations etc.

What is the problem with that?

Um, it was a mild joke. You know, sense of humour type thing..

SultanOfSwing Nov 16th 2017 5:37 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12383647)
Um, it was a mild joke. You know, sense of humour type thing..

Ever wonder why you even bother?

Lion in Winter Nov 16th 2017 5:40 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12383648)
Ever wonder why you even bother?


Maybe a sense of humour is now foreign/elitist/treacherous/imposed by the EU?

SultanOfSwing Nov 16th 2017 5:42 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12383652)
Maybe a sense of humour is now foreign/elitist/treacherous/imposed by the EU?

You can't be too down-to-earth. Then the proles start getting ideas above their stations.

Not that we'll have stations anymore. Efficient, well-run public transport is an EU disease and must be eradicated.

Bipat Nov 16th 2017 5:45 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12383647)
Um, it was a mild joke. You know, sense of humour type thing..

OK, apologies I have got or should I say (gotten?) used to being shouted down about any brexit view I put forward, whether migrants from non-EU countries, the ECJ etc. etc.
I think some (EMR etc.) believe it is my personal fault that Brexit is happening.:lol::lol:


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