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jimenato Nov 15th 2017 10:53 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas (Post 12382520)
But that is facile too. Those who voted for Brexit are not the ones enacting it so they are no more responsible for it than those who voted Tory (or, more to the point, those who didn't) at the last election. And the right to complain goes with moaning about the weather, it's just sooo British.

Brexiteers voted for whatever happens.

Remainers warned there was no plan and Brexiteers went for it anyway.

They are responsible - they cannot duck this.

Bipat Nov 15th 2017 11:00 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12382524)
So you are confirming that many of Those who voted to leave had no idea how the process would work or what the repercussions will be.
Confirmation that referendums are not the way major national decisions should be made.

If the result had been to remain--those who voted to remain would not have known how the EU would be in the coming years.

You presumably accepted the result of the 1975 referendum to stay in the EEC?
Surely remaining in the more recently founded EU also required a referendum.

EMR Nov 15th 2017 11:05 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12382530)
If the result had been to remain--those who voted to remain would not have known how the EU would be in the coming years.

You presumably accepted the result of the 1975 referendum to stay in the EEC?
Surely remaining in the more recently founded EU also required a referendum.

You are ignoring what is a fact rather than a possibility.
The UK is a senior member of the EU with a raft of vetoes and opt outs.
It would have had influence had we remained.
Influence it will no longer have and will now be subject to any policy changes within the EU that could have a negative affect on its people and economy.
Given the almighty mess the recent referendum has produced , it's proof that referendums are not the way to run the UK.
If we had them the votes to bring back capital punishment, hunting wild animals with dogs.
Ending migration .
Would all gain a majority , probably from many off the same who voted to leave.

Bipat Nov 15th 2017 11:25 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12382536)
You are ignoring what is a fact rather than a possibility.
1) The UK is a senior member of the EU with a raft of vetoes and opt outs.
It would have had influence had we remained.
Influence it will no longer have and will now be subject to any policy changes within the EU that could have a negative affect on its people and economy.
Given the almighty mess the recent referendum has produced , it's proof that referendums are not the way to run the UK.
2)If we had them the votes to bring back capital punishment, hunting wild animals with dogs.
Ending migration .
Would all gain a majority , probably from many off the same who voted to leave
.

1)David Cameron didn't get very far did he?

2) That is nonsense and you have no evidence for your view.

EMR Nov 15th 2017 11:27 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12382544)
1)David Cameron didn't get very far did he?

2) That is nonsense and you have no evidence for your view.

Really, you do not know much about the UK do you.
I take it you have never read or seen a headline from those popular papers who know What their readership wants.

Bipat Nov 15th 2017 11:52 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12382545)
Really, you do not know much about the UK do you.

Certainly know as much as you do. Give evidence for your opinions.

Yes there are SOME, hang them, pro hunting, dislike all immigrants people there are SOME UK citizens who will agree with any opinion you put forward.
However "majority"??

(I am wondering about your actual views you protest so much!!:lol:)


Just seen your edit--are you saying ALL the readers agree with everything in the papers they can afford to buy.
The readership numbers are in the thousands the voting population in millions!

EMR Nov 15th 2017 12:09 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12382559)
Certainly know as much as you do. Give evidence for your opinions.

Yes there are SOME, hang them, pro hunting, dislike all immigrants people there are SOME UK citizens who will agree with any opinion you put forward.
However "majority"??

(I am wondering about your actual views you protest so much!!:lol:)


Just seen your edit--are you saying ALL the readers agree with everything in the papers they can afford to buy.
The readership numbers are in the thousands the voting population in millions!

Readership is in the tens millions, on paper and on line
You really do need to check out your facts.
Yes I do believe that Express, Mail and Telegraph readers do agree with the views of those papers otherwise why do they buy them and or read them.

Bipat Nov 15th 2017 12:37 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12382574)
Readership is in the tens millions, on paper and on line
You really do need to check out your facts.
Yes I do believe that Express, Mail and Telegraph readers do agree with the views of those papers otherwise why do they buy them and or read them.

Most of the figures given refer to monthly or yearly figures which will be the same readers repeated in the statistics.

Do you really believe that all those who look in to any newspaper including on-line agree with all the expressed views? That would presumably include yourself,:lol

Do Expats who read this Forum --agree with all the views expressed??

(If you think the majority of British people are so awful why are you still living there??)

https://www.theguardian.com/media/gr...than-qualities

EMR Nov 15th 2017 12:46 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12382595)
Most of the figures given refer to monthly or yearly figures which will be the same readers repeated in the statistics.

Do you really believe that all those who look in to any newspaper including on-line agree with all the expressed views? That would presumably include yourself,:lol

Do Expats who read this Forum --agree with all the views expressed??

(If you think the majority of British people are so awful why are you still living there??)

https://www.theguardian.com/media/gr...than-qualities

Anyone who did not agree with the headlines of those newspapers during the brexit campaign stopped reading them months to.
Particularly those which were anti migrant.
I do not think that we Brits are awful but that major decisions should not be left to uninformed, illinformed popularised sentiment or worse.

Red Eric Nov 15th 2017 1:03 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas (Post 12382477)
The EU is mucking us about now in the hope it will discourage any other Exiters and uses the excuse that there are different messages coming out of the various UK political factions - if that is not "playing" us, I don't know what is.

"uses the excuse" :lol::lol::lol:

The "various UK political factions" aren't actually charged with running the show. The Conservatives are and their leader has shown what complete contempt she has for the observance of normal procedure or for any sort of cross-party consensus.

Besides, you don't have to pan out as wide as the other parties, nor even the Conservative party as a whole to get different messages. The Cabinet itself can't agree on and stick to a single consistent line. Juncker, Barnier and co may, for public consumption, be exploiting the idea that the UK government is floundering but they're really not having to try very hard to achieve that at the moment, are they?

Red Eric Nov 15th 2017 1:09 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12382595)
Most of the figures given refer to monthly or yearly figures which will be the same readers repeated in the statistics.

:eek: Do you not know what monthly or yearly averages mean when it comes to newspaper readership?

Your link makes it perfectly clear.

And it's hundreds of thousands, not thousands ;) And millions of unique browsers when it comes to online publications.

Lion in Winter Nov 15th 2017 1:15 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12382613)
"uses the excuse" :lol::lol::lol:

The "various UK political factions" aren't actually charged with running the show. The Conservatives are and their leader has shown what complete contempt she has for the observance of normal procedure or for any sort of cross-party consensus.

Besides, you don't have to pan out as wide as the other parties, nor even the Conservative party as a whole to get different messages. The Cabinet itself can't agree on and stick to a single consistent line. Juncker, Barnier and co may, for public consumption, be exploiting the idea that the UK government is floundering but they're really not having to try very hard to achieve that at the moment, are they?


The whole UK as victim stance isn't very credible, is it. This entire mess is a 100% self-inflicted wound.

Bipat Nov 15th 2017 1:16 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12382603)
Anyone who did not agree with the headlines of those newspapers during the brexit campaign stopped reading them months to.
Particularly those which were anti migrant.
I do not think that we Brits are awful but that major decisions should not be left to uninformed, illinformed popularised sentiment or worse.

So we shouldn't have general elections in your view to choose a Government?

So the majority of the population who apparently want to bring back hanging, fox hunting, end all immigration and are those who voted for Brexit should be struck off the voter registration list?

Only your views are informed!:lol::lol:

Lion in Winter Nov 15th 2017 1:17 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12382620)
So we shouldn't have general elections in your view to choose a Government?

So the majority of the population who apparently want to bring back hanging, fox hunting, end all immigration and are those who voted for Brexit should be struck off the voter registration list?

Only your views are informed!:lol::lol:

Come on - a child of three could see the straw men there. You are cleverer than that.

Bipat Nov 15th 2017 1:32 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12382616)
:eek: Do you not know what monthly or yearly averages mean when it comes to newspaper readership?

Your link makes it perfectly clear.

And it's hundreds of thousands, not thousands ;) And millions of unique browsers when it comes to online publications.

Hundreds of thousands is thousands!
Are you saying as is EMR, that all who browse on a Daily Mail site actually agree with all it publishes.
In fact I myself look usually to view something put on this thread as a link by a Remainer!

(I am not willing to pay to read papers on-line, some? tabloids are free so get more views.)


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