Lion in Winter

Weren't we reliably informed that the UK held all the cards and we wouldn't have to pay anything?

Dick? Vexcore? Anyone?

EMR

Ensuring as best she can the future prosperity of the UK, business and it's inhabitants will of course be regarded as a sell out by extreme brexiters.

DaveLovesDee

Treason's a strong claim. How do you come to that conclusion?

EMR

US commerce Secretary has said that the UK will have to renounce existing EU food standards such as no chlorinated chicken if we want a US trade deal.
Get stuffed seems a suitable response.

lutonlad

Equally extreme remainers would hate the idea of reverting to a 'common market' relationship between the UK and EU.

Paying a price for a decent UK/EU trade deal seems a reasonable prospect to me.

Lion in Winter

It is.

But I'm not at all sure that it's "what people voted for". Or were expecting. But it's hard to say because the referendum campaign on all sides was largely devoid of specifics.

lutonlad

Exactly. It was just a binary choice. There was no political room for a 'third option'. If anyone had suggested the idea of paying for a trade deal they would have been ridiculed by the EU as well as both sides in the UK.

Shard

Paying for a trade deal IS the Brexit option.

Watchpost

It isn't "paying for a trade deal" though, is it. It's the UK meeting its remaining financial obligations to the EU, which is understandably a precondition for discussion of any future arrangement.

iano

Quite so.

It also seems to have gone very quiet on all 3 negotiation priorities agreed to by the UK; financial obligations, Irish border and EU citizens' rights.

As the old cliche goes; the clock is ticking, and I sense no urgency on the part of HM Govt. Just imagine the chaos should the UK crash out without resolving these and the many other issues. The EU leadership would be fine with it, as not too many would be keen to follow the UK out the exit door.

Ingles

I have not "posted" on this thread for months !
Question
Are there any Pro OUT posters still under the illusion that it's going to "be alright @ the end off the day " or have they given up & crawled back into the fox holes they have been fighting from, probably never to be heard from again.

AVQ Yes /No will do

Shard

It might be wishful thinking, but there's also the possibility that the government is intentionally engineering a future crisis so that a rethink can be pitched to the general public.

iano

Nice thought but reports of an impending crisis would merely be brushed off as 'Project Fear'.

The economic pain and chaos will only be properly realised once the UK has finally left, takes time to filter through, and too late to revoke Art 50.

Assanah

No I have no link that proves that. Do you have a link that proves that tariffs apply the whole year? I know about the oranges because I work in that area. If you are interested have a look at the agreement between the EU and Southern Africa. That will give you a taste on how incredibly complex trade deals are. If you want search for oranges in the document. You will come across the regulation that affects the timeframe of tariffs for oranges from South Africa. There you will behold the regulation that no tariffs apply in the time from June 1st to October 15th.

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2015/october/tradoc_153915.pdf

Lion in Winter

Dick has fled the Board and not been since since the election really. Vexcore likewise, except I think for a couple of visits to shout "traitor" at somebody (May?), and LaMancha appears once in a while with a revisionist "yes it will be painful but at least we will be free" version of the Great Brexit Triumph ™.