Garbatellamike

aha my misunderstanding then - sorry

iano

This lapsed Tory remainer would, most definitely. Sorry, Vince.

Many of the European radical left favour reforming and democratising the EU from within, and support free movement etc and considering Varoufakis had Corbyn's ear recently, hopefully the cards he's keeping very close to the chest will prove an interesting reveal.

Continuing single market membership helps pay for any positive change in domestic policy.

InVinoVeritas

It's perhaps a good thing to be inconsistent - I remember some recent research about why facts don't change our minds, something to do with the way our brains are wired.

I feel I am inconsistent too - I would like the UK to Brexit but I have lost confidence in this government.

Realistically something needs to change.

iano

Change of leader, or government, in your view ?

Shard

I think the debate needs to change. First and foremost the notion that a decision taken on 23.6.16 is CAST IN STONE and reliably reflects the desires of the country. That notion should be questioned not treated as sacrosanct. Far too many political leaders are subverting their own beliefs out of political fear. Unhealthy. And leads to inferior outcomes.

Garbatellamike

a single market rather than the Single Market would also do this - no?

jimenato

I, a lapsed Tory, would vote for Labour if they had a determined soft-brexit or preferably no-Brexit position.

As it is I will vote for LibDems.

Garbatellamike

Tempting but don't you think that's wasting your vote

iano

Assuming you mean the UK market alone operating outside of the EU customs union and internal market, with sterling weak, higher inflation, high levels of domestic debt, loss of FDI, diminished labour force and smaller market for goods/services, not to mention the costs of the proposed re-nationalisation programme, probably not as effectively.

iano

Fully agree, the 'will of the people' is only advisory in a Parliamentary democracy.

No cojones, any of them, including May..

Garbatellamike

wrong assumption

jimenato

What did you mean then?

Shard

I've voted LD since the Iraq War (the largely pro-war electorate appalled me) as they really mirror my my thinking. Was a bit tragic with Tim Farron at the helm, but I stuck with my principle. With Saint Vince it will be much easier. I don't subscribe to the wasting your vote idea, and wish more people would vote according to their core beliefs.

jimenato

Depends upon your constituency. I would vote tactically against the Tory.

In this constituency it's a bit confusing. It's traditionally been Tory then LibDem then Labour, in fact the last non-Tory was a LibDem so I think I was justified in voting LibDem last time. Unfortunately the LibDems had lost so much ground due to the Con/Lib coalition, they came a bad third.

I don't know that I can bring myself to vote Labour as things are, I would do so if they had a soft-or-no Brexit position.

I believe that a second referendum is justified. One dressed as an acceptance or rejection the final deal would do the job although in reality it would be a re-run.

I'm with Alan Sugar on this...

Shard

It's not exactly a rerun though. The first was an expression of interest, before any real facts were produced, the second would be an informed decision. I think that reality needs to be spelt out, rather than let the europhobes paint it as a new conspiracy.