Post EU Referendum
Aug 11th 2017, 3:57 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Annetje
Some friends from Essex were here on holiday this week. He voted Brexit.
Funny enough, he said, most people around him voted Brexit to tell the Government they had enough of immigration from Commonwealth countries (!!!!). Polish people were fine, hard working and discreet.
He said he realized this had nothing to do with the EU, but they had to protest somewhere, hence Brexit.
Now, he owns a company that produces diggers etc. and relies heavily on business with the EU. Somehow there is this fantasy dream about that, on trade, life will go on as usual. No extra papers, no tariffs, no problems whatsoever. ''No, the EU needs us'' was the argument. I left it at that, didn't want to argue for the time they were here.
Hmmm. Lalaland or not
Funny enough, he said, most people around him voted Brexit to tell the Government they had enough of immigration from Commonwealth countries (!!!!). Polish people were fine, hard working and discreet.
He said he realized this had nothing to do with the EU, but they had to protest somewhere, hence Brexit.
Now, he owns a company that produces diggers etc. and relies heavily on business with the EU. Somehow there is this fantasy dream about that, on trade, life will go on as usual. No extra papers, no tariffs, no problems whatsoever. ''No, the EU needs us'' was the argument. I left it at that, didn't want to argue for the time they were here.
Hmmm. Lalaland or not
Who needs who more ?
UK exporters relying on the EU !
Aug 11th 2017, 3:59 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by amideislas
This begs a rolleyes:
How a plot to stop Brexit is being hatched on a Greek island |
CNN
The campaign to prevent Britain leaving the EU, such as one exists, is not being led by a charismatic politician from Britain, nor even by wistful Eurocrats in Brussels. Instead, the standard-bearer of the anti-Brexit charge -- at least while the UK Parliament is on its long summer break and Prime Minister Theresa May is walking in the Alps -- is a little-known former political apparatchik vacationing on a Mediterranean island at the other end of the European Union.
Until a couple of months ago James Chapman was chief of staff to David Davis, the UK's Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union and the man in charge of Brexit negotiations for Britain. Before that, he worked for pro-EU former finance minister George Osborne, and for a long period he was political editor for the stridently pro-Brexit Daily Mail newspaper.
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How a plot to stop Brexit is being hatched on a Greek island |
CNN
The campaign to prevent Britain leaving the EU, such as one exists, is not being led by a charismatic politician from Britain, nor even by wistful Eurocrats in Brussels. Instead, the standard-bearer of the anti-Brexit charge -- at least while the UK Parliament is on its long summer break and Prime Minister Theresa May is walking in the Alps -- is a little-known former political apparatchik vacationing on a Mediterranean island at the other end of the European Union.
Until a couple of months ago James Chapman was chief of staff to David Davis, the UK's Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union and the man in charge of Brexit negotiations for Britain. Before that, he worked for pro-EU former finance minister George Osborne, and for a long period he was political editor for the stridently pro-Brexit Daily Mail newspaper.
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Aug 11th 2017, 4:33 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by amideislas
Wow! Ignorance, arrogance, and hypocrisy all in one treat.
UK economy down the drain, xenophobia on the rise. You know what you can stick Brexit. You may want to swim in polluted seas again, pay roaming charges, eat chemically washed beef, lose job protections because believe me the Tories won't hesitate to scrap those and last of all the NHS will be sold to the Yanks.
And why did people vote Leave because they didn't want foreign johnnies coming over to the UK "stealing" their jobs but hey you expats or migrants as you really are are doing exactly the same in Reverse.
One woman I spoke to said she voted to Leave so she could eat posset again. Duh!
My son and partner both working paying U.K. Tax have moved to Finland where they are now working paying Finnish tax. They both now have a better standard of living then in the U.K. When visiting this summer we visited Finland, Sweden and Norway from Spain. No passports necessary. A joy.
And lastly in these times of real trouble we should be sticking with our friends not isolating ourselves.
Aug 11th 2017, 4:59 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Chiclanagir
There is no strong case for Brexit. None, nada.
UK economy down the drain, xenophobia on the rise. You know what you can stick Brexit. You may want to swim in polluted seas again, pay roaming charges, eat chemically washed beef, lose job protections because believe me the Tories won't hesitate to scrap those and last of all the NHS will be sold to the Yanks.
And why did people vote Leave because they didn't want foreign johnnies coming over to the UK "stealing" their jobs but hey you expats or migrants as you really are are doing exactly the same in Reverse.
One woman I spoke to said she voted to Leave so she could eat posset again. Duh!
My son and partner both working paying U.K. Tax have moved to Finland where they are now working paying Finnish tax. They both now have a better standard of living then in the U.K. When visiting this summer we visited Finland, Sweden and Norway from Spain. No passports necessary. A joy.
And lastly in these times of real trouble we should be sticking with our friends not isolating ourselves.
UK economy down the drain, xenophobia on the rise. You know what you can stick Brexit. You may want to swim in polluted seas again, pay roaming charges, eat chemically washed beef, lose job protections because believe me the Tories won't hesitate to scrap those and last of all the NHS will be sold to the Yanks.
And why did people vote Leave because they didn't want foreign johnnies coming over to the UK "stealing" their jobs but hey you expats or migrants as you really are are doing exactly the same in Reverse.
One woman I spoke to said she voted to Leave so she could eat posset again. Duh!
My son and partner both working paying U.K. Tax have moved to Finland where they are now working paying Finnish tax. They both now have a better standard of living then in the U.K. When visiting this summer we visited Finland, Sweden and Norway from Spain. No passports necessary. A joy.
And lastly in these times of real trouble we should be sticking with our friends not isolating ourselves.
For the majority of the world countries their own laws are supreme, and they manage their own borders are they all facist?
The people of the UK voted to remain in the EEC in 1975 a trade organisation.
Leaving EU membership is not 'leaving' Europe.
Aug 11th 2017, 5:04 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
Increasing trade with the other 167 countries of the world without restriction, is "xenophobia /isolation"-?
For the majority of the world countries their own laws are supreme, and they manage their own borders are they all facist?
The people of the UK voted to remain in the EEC in 1975 a trade organistaion.
Leaving EU membership is not 'leaving' Europe.
For the majority of the world countries their own laws are supreme, and they manage their own borders are they all facist?
The people of the UK voted to remain in the EEC in 1975 a trade organistaion.
Leaving EU membership is not 'leaving' Europe.
Most of the growth in UK exports is to the EU.
Latest information The majority of UK commercial vehicle production is to the EU.
6 out of the top 10 countries where UK commercial vehicles are exported are in the EU.
Where are all these non EU countries queuing up to buy UK products ?
Leaving the EU, the single market etc risks impacting on the markets that are generating most of UK exports.
Aug 11th 2017, 5:12 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
Increasing trade with the other 167 countries of the world without restriction, is "xenophobia /isolation"-?
For the majority of the world countries their own laws are supreme, and they manage their own borders are they all facist?
The people of the UK voted to remain in the EEC in 1975 a trade organisation.
Leaving EU membership is not 'leaving' Europe.
For the majority of the world countries their own laws are supreme, and they manage their own borders are they all facist?
The people of the UK voted to remain in the EEC in 1975 a trade organisation.
Leaving EU membership is not 'leaving' Europe.
So, perhaps in a generation or so, Britain might be able to get back to levels of trade that it currently enjoys. But then, much of that trade is linked to Britain's membership of the EU, so it's probably a bit optimistic (some say "delusional") to presume it can magically regain that in isolation as a shrinking island economy.
Oh, well, at least Britain will be "free" again.
Aug 11th 2017, 5:21 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by amideislas
Actually, before "increasing trade" with "167 countries", there's this little detail of (re-)establishing trade agreements with them. The day Britain leaves, all of those existing trade agreements will be null and void.
So, perhaps in a generation or so, Britain might be able to get back to levels of trade that it currently enjoys. But then, much of that trade is linked to Britain's membership of the EU, so it's probably a bit optimistic (some say "delusional") to presume it can magically regain that in isolation as a shrinking island economy.
Oh, well, at least Britain will be "free" again.
So, perhaps in a generation or so, Britain might be able to get back to levels of trade that it currently enjoys. But then, much of that trade is linked to Britain's membership of the EU, so it's probably a bit optimistic (some say "delusional") to presume it can magically regain that in isolation as a shrinking island economy.
Oh, well, at least Britain will be "free" again.
Aug 11th 2017, 5:25 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Britain will become the world's greatest egg producer then. But first it will need lots of chickens. But that will require lots of eggs. Good job it'll be the world's greatest egg producer. Erm, wait...
Aug 11th 2017, 5:27 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by amideislas
Britain will become the world's greatest egg producer then. But first it will need lots of chickens. But that will require lots of eggs. Good job it'll be the world's greatest egg producer. Erm, wait...
Aug 11th 2017, 5:33 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by amideislas
Actually, before "increasing trade" with "167 countries", there's this little detail of (re-)establishing trade agreements with them. The day Britain leaves, all of those existing trade agreements will be null and void.
So, perhaps in a generation or so, Britain might be able to get back to levels of trade that it currently enjoys. But then, much of that trade is linked to Britain's membership of the EU, so it's probably a bit optimistic (some say "delusional") to presume it can magically regain that in isolation as a shrinking island economy.
Oh, well, at least Britain will be "free" again.
So, perhaps in a generation or so, Britain might be able to get back to levels of trade that it currently enjoys. But then, much of that trade is linked to Britain's membership of the EU, so it's probably a bit optimistic (some say "delusional") to presume it can magically regain that in isolation as a shrinking island economy.
Oh, well, at least Britain will be "free" again.
Aug 11th 2017, 5:36 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Annetje
Listening to the current ''egg'' trouble, the UK can't even produce enough eggs to satisfy the UK ... I mean, is there anything more simple than that ?
Aug 11th 2017, 5:44 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
The 'Principle of Continuity in International Law'--means the existing EU Treaties can be adapted to the UK.
The agreements are linked to EU membership.
Aug 11th 2017, 5:49 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
The UK produces the vast majority of eggs for the UK market. Many of the problem eggs (which are cheaper) were being used for pre-packed--sandwiches/ salad trays etc. all unnecessary items!!
And I think you might find out that the UK will have to negotiate their own trade agreements with your 167 countries + the EU.
Aug 11th 2017, 6:01 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Of the 167 countries mentioned -
How many require the goods & services that the UK offers -
Of those which can offer the volume the UK requires -
Of those how many Countries can the UK be competitive in -
Of those how many Countries would you wish to trade with on ethical / foreign policy grounds -
Of those how many Countries would you offer credit to & / or the UK Govt be prepared to offer export credit guarantees to -
Of those how many will offer free market access to the UK -
Of those how many will offer free market access without reciprocal trade & non trade agreements -
Of those in how many countries will the UK not face intense competition from other established exporters -
Even some G20 members will require some further "flexibility" in trading terms & arrangements.
Edited to add: How many UK exporters have the will, cultural (& possibly language) skills, manpower & marketing resources to deal with "those" countries?
How many of those Countries are the UK already trading with, close to max capacity.
How many require the goods & services that the UK offers -
Of those which can offer the volume the UK requires -
Of those how many Countries can the UK be competitive in -
Of those how many Countries would you wish to trade with on ethical / foreign policy grounds -
Of those how many Countries would you offer credit to & / or the UK Govt be prepared to offer export credit guarantees to -
Of those how many will offer free market access to the UK -
Of those how many will offer free market access without reciprocal trade & non trade agreements -
Of those in how many countries will the UK not face intense competition from other established exporters -
Even some G20 members will require some further "flexibility" in trading terms & arrangements.
Edited to add: How many UK exporters have the will, cultural (& possibly language) skills, manpower & marketing resources to deal with "those" countries?
How many of those Countries are the UK already trading with, close to max capacity.
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Aug 11th 2017, 6:21 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Annetje
Ay, I see, the Brexiteers want a life without ''unnecessary items'' .... back to the good old days of drying the laundry outside and no luxuries necessary. Finally we know the secret plan.
And I think you might find out that the UK will have to negotiate their own trade agreements with your 167 countries + the EU.
And I think you might find out that the UK will have to negotiate their own trade agreements with your 167 countries + the EU.
