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Old Jul 21st 2017, 8:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
Could you quote a couple of examples from here?


You could always deliver yourself from it
I'm still a little worried about "the finishing waters". That, along with God requiring some sort of form in order to prevent discussion smacks of religious oppression to me. What price freedom, eh?
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 8:04 pm
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Though I do agree with you that the Tories should be whipped ...
I think a lot of them would agree with that. Gideon, for starters.
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 8:06 pm
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I'm still a little worried about "the finishing waters".
You think it should be finishing-waters?
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You think it should be finishing-waters?
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I think a lot of them would agree with that. Gideon, for starters.
Good point.

Maybe a better thing would be a series of minor inconveniences spaced close enough to each other that you're not quite over the last one before the next one finishes. Cut off on the drive in to pretend to be working (or you miss your train on your way in to accept your latest bribe/be sucked off by your favourite rent boy in the public bogs), a seagull does a poo in your coffee as you sit outside a trendy coffee shop displaying your distaste for the plebs. All leading up to an epic marker-top shit that occurs with just not quite enough bog roll left to deal with it.
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 8:32 pm
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Think of this new trading block "New EFTA" here is the line up.

The Magnificent 7

1. UK, bringing all our old chums from the Commonwealth, so, already bigger than the EU' as trading block.
2/3/4 The V4 they can dump all those useless migrants, to where they want to go anyway Merkle's magic DDR.
5. Switzerland, they are an existing member, doing very nicely, show us the ropes.
6. Iceland, they can show us how to sort the banks out when they go bust and how to get the poachers out of our fishing waters.
7. Italy, white goods for everyone. Alfa Romeos and Vespas.
1b. Ireland, keep the border open, a sidecar can't go very far without the motorbike anyway.

Little Liechtenstein, well they can launder the money and handle the bankruptcy, when Greece revert to the drachma.

And no fees to pay.......Who wouldn't want that?

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Old Jul 21st 2017, 8:34 pm
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Yes you could but being part of a community should be voluntary don't you think?
Were we forced to join the EEC? The UK tried joining the EEC twice before we were finally successful, both times vetoed by Pres. de Gaulle who was worried the UK would take over from France as the major power in the Community.

As I said the population of the UK voted to be part of the EEC in 1975. They did not vote to be part of the EU founded in 1993. The referendum provided them with the chance to decide whether they wanted to continue membership of that community.
Our democratically-elected representatives, the UK Prime Minister and MPs at the time, took us into the EEC. A successor PM only decided to hold the EU referendum to appease a small faction of his party's MPs, and Parliament made the rules of the referendum to be non-binding and advisory.

The first problem came when the winners of the referendum vote didn't accept that it was advisory and non-binding, the second when the government tried avoiding Parliament's right to debate the referendum result. Were Leavers worried that Parliament would decide the vote shouldn't be acted upon?
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 8:37 pm
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing View Post
Blackjack and Hookers, all run by Hommer Simpson and his dopey family, that sounds just like the existing EU. I don't get it.

Maybe you should get a new record.....?
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 8:50 pm
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Blackjack and Hookers, all run by Hommer Simpson and his dopey family, that sounds just like the existing EU. I don't get it.

Maybe you should get a new record.....?
That's Bender, you daft plank

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The ECJ doesn't have any citizens.

Also, its projected role would be to arbitrate on the entire exit agreement and not just on matters relating specifically to EU citizens in the UK (and why did you omit to mention UK citizens, who would also ultimately have recourse to ECJ judgements in the event of disputes?)
Yes, I should have said citizens of EU member countries.

Yes, I imagine UK citizens who are already living in EU countries will have the reciprocal rights that are now being negotiated. Those moving there after Brexit presumably will be subject to the same rules/laws/rights as any other non-EU citizens living there just as UK expats are in any country they move to.
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Were we forced to join the EEC? The UK tried joining the EEC twice before we were finally successful, both times vetoed by Pres. de Gaulle who was worried the UK would take over from France as the major power in the Community.



Our democratically-elected representatives, the UK Prime Minister and MPs at the time, took us into the EEC. A successor PM only decided to hold the EU referendum to appease a small faction of his party's MPs, and Parliament made the rules of the referendum to be non-binding and advisory.

The first problem came when the winners of the referendum vote didn't accept that it was advisory and non-binding, the second when the government tried avoiding Parliament's right to debate the referendum result. Were Leavers worried that Parliament would decide the vote shouldn't be acted upon?
I said that the UK public voted to stay in the EEC in 1975.

We had several democratically elected representatives in the following 41 years, but no chance for the public to air their views on the matter of membership of the EU founded in 1993 by a major Treaty and followed by another Treaty making substantial changes.
A successor MP? It is not a ruling dynasty! There are different political parties and the same parties have different views at different times, that is why there are regular elections.

What is the point of the expense of a referendum if it is not acted on? You are saying it is 'right' that the public can vote for a different government at frequent intervals but not have their views respected in a referendum.
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 9:57 pm
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Yes, I imagine UK citizens who are already living in EU countries will have the reciprocal rights that are now being negotiated.
There wouldn't need to be any negotiation if the UK agreed that all rights currently enjoyed by those who have already made the move in either direction should be retained. That was what the UK government pretended it wanted when it was pretending that the EU was refusing to do a deal to safeguard those rights. The EU has now called the UK government's bluff on that, exposing the truth for all to see (all except the most determined of misrepresenters, that is )

Not forgetting, of course, that the UK has responsibility for honouring some of those rights with regard to its own citizens residing in other member states, so nothing at all reciprocal about those. Thank goodness the EU's arguing on our behalf for the retention of those though, eh?

But none of that gets around the fact that some body or other beyond the highest court in the UK will have to act as final arbiter in the case of any dispute.
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 10:01 pm
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At last a good idea from EMR, a dictatorship.
EMR wasn't suggesting any such thing. He was pointing out that countries who usually pull the shit the UK are usually called dictatorships.

Bring back Henry VIII, cut a few heads off and get this thing done, I am bored with all this bloody nonsense. Whip all the Tories to back the government then:-

Give the EU an ultimatum, we sort this out, or we leave, you clear off out of our finishing waters and pay them nothing and all by the 31st December. In the interim we very publicly set up trade deals as close to completion as is legal, so we are ready...and they know it.

Sure, great idea. Tell me, would you want to sign a deal with someone who failed to negotiate their exit from previous contracts properly? Potential free trade partners are going to be a little nervous too, seeing as we're leaving a large number of agreements to have to renegotiate them again. Will the replacement deals we as favourable to the UK?
We all know WTO rules are best for us anyway,
Do we? Do you have any evidence?

rejoin EFTA (which still exists) and offer the V4, Greece, Ireland and Italy free membership and a set beer mugs, that make eight counties just for starters.
Counties? What makes you think the V4, Greece, Ireland or Italy want to leave any more

Well I can dream can't I?.....The reality, years of this monotonous whinging and whining... God deliver us form it.

Years....... Oh yes, the whining of those wanting us to Leave the EU. We're leaving.


Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
Think of this new trading block "New EFTA" here is the line up.

The Magnificent 7

1. UK, bringing all our old chums from the Commonwealth, so, already bigger than the EU' as trading block.
2/3/4 The V4 they can dump all those useless migrants, to where they want to go anyway Merkle's magic DDR.
5. Switzerland, they are an existing member, doing very nicely, show us the ropes.
6. Iceland, they can show us how to sort the banks out when they go bust and how to get the poachers out of our fishing waters.
7. Italy, white goods for everyone. Alfa Romeos and Vespas.
1b. Ireland, keep the border open, a sidecar can't go very far without the motorbike anyway.

Little Liechtenstein, well they can launder the money and handle the bankruptcy, when Greece revert to the drachma.

And no fees to pay.......Who wouldn't want that?
And all 4 EFTA member states are signed up to free movement of persons. Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein via the EEA protocols, and Switzerland via bilateral agreements.

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He has, he does not live in the UK , nor does he want to.

Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
I like Portugal and Thailand and by buying two small cheap houses can have the best of both countries. Britain is bad for my arthritis and bronchitis and full of bloody foreigners.
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Remember, he's been abroad. Hasn't seen proper TV since Starsky and Hutch....

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Old Jul 21st 2017, 10:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
I said that the UK public voted to stay in the EEC in 1975.

We had several democratically elected representatives in the following 41 years, but no chance for the public to air their views on the matter of membership of the EU founded in 1993 by a major Treaty and followed by another Treaty making substantial changes.
A successor MP? It is not a ruling dynasty! There are different political parties and the same parties have different views at different times, that is why there are regular elections.

What is the point of the expense of a referendum if it is not acted on? You are saying it is 'right' that the public can vote for a different government at frequent intervals but not have their views respected in a referendum.
You appear to be reading something into my post that I can't see.

I'll wait to see if anyone else reads it the same as you do.
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