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Old Jul 20th 2017, 9:32 pm
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
Then you should read the official government transcript of his speech in Geneva today..
Your posts are out of date,,
Google Liam Fox free trade speech.
It makes particular reference to services not exports.
EMR it is the same speech in my first link. (Some hours ago hardly out of date!)

Britain's Fox says UK-EU trade deal 'easiest in human history', sterling falls | Reuters

Your post stated he was saying Post Brexit Free Trade Deal(s) not necessary, when in fact the speech mentions such trade in a positive way.
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Old Jul 20th 2017, 9:41 pm
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EMR it is the same speech in my first link. (Some hours ago hardly out of date!)

Britain's Fox says UK-EU trade deal 'easiest in human history', sterling falls | Reuters

Your post stated he was saying Post Brexit Free Trade Deal(s) not necessary, when in fact the speech mentions such trade in a positive way.
Have you actually read the official government transcript.
Not the press comments.
I did, it's on the government site.
" Free trade deals are NOT the only way etc etc."

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Old Jul 20th 2017, 10:34 pm
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
Have you actually read the official government transcript.
Not the press comments.
I did, it's on the government site.
" Free trade deals are NOT the only way etc etc."
Yes I have read it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...global-economy

Yes "not the only way"----- not that they wouldn't be sought after!

"Importance of FTAs to the global economy"
"Approach must be manifold using FTAs" and other means.


(PS --for you and Morpeth---While discussing trade, Liam Fox mentions the poverty level in India as defined by the Word Bank as 22% in 2011, even better than my 25% estimate).
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Old Jul 20th 2017, 11:16 pm
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Yes I have read it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...global-economy

Yes "not the only way"----- not that they wouldn't be sought after!

"Importance of FTAs to the global economy"
"Approach must be manifold using FTAs" and other means.


(PS --for you and Morpeth---While discussing trade, Liam Fox mentions the poverty level in India as defined by the Word Bank as 22% in 2011, even better than my 25% estimate).
Thanks for confirming that the government's no longer fixated on FTA as the way forward.

Other news , Fox accepts that the transitional period could run into years not months.

Free movement could last as long as 2023.

Reality is now dawning on our Brexit negotiators.
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 2:41 am
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Britain faces up to Brexit

CRISIS? What crisis? So many have been triggered in Britain by the vote a year ago to leave the European Union that it is hard to keep track. Just last month Theresa May was reduced from unassailable iron lady to just-about-managing minority prime minister. Her cabinet is engaged in open warfare as rivals position themselves to replace her. The Labour Party, which has been taken over by a hard-left admirer of Hugo Chávez, is ahead in the polls. Meanwhile a neurotic pro-Brexit press shrieks that anyone who voices doubts about the country’s direction is an unpatriotic traitor. Britain is having a very public nervous breakdown.

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Dear Leavebugs, it’s time to admit your mistake

I can't find a segment which conveys the essence of this article - you just need to read the lot - if you dare, leavebugs.
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 8:26 am
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Here are some nice long reads one can do during the ''hot hours'' of the day :

Transcripts of Michel Barnier and Guy Verhofstadt evidence published - News from Parliament - UK Parliament

I read half of it and it is a bit of an eye-opener ...
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 9:04 am
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BREXIT double speak !!

Just listened to a brexit MP explain that people did NOT vote for an end to free movement but for " control ".
If free movement continues for up to 4 years after we " leave " to 2023 that will be OK because it will be what best for the UK economy.
Suzan Evans UKIP was not a happy woman when discussing this wave of realism that seems to be sweeping through some on the Brexit side.

Her view, " it's not what we voted for ".
A view shared by Jacob RM.,

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Old Jul 21st 2017, 9:08 am
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Your other alternative is bolder. Cheat Parliament of its chance to vote down a deal by never reaching one. Keep your hostage in Downing Street and storm on towards the cliff edge in which we tumble out of the EU without agreement. Persuade public opinion that Brussels bullies brought us to this breakdown, negotiation is now impossible, and Britain must walk away — and damn the consequences. Damning the consequences is all that’s open to you now. Double or quits...
Certainly pointing that way; The UK's poor preparation and having no settled or established 'position' prior to triggering Article 50 or even now after negotiations have begun. The calling of a time consuming GE AFTER invoking Art 50. The ongoing cavalier attitude and comments coming from Davis, Fox and Johnson.

Far from having our cake and eating it, likelihood is there's going to be no cake at all because the Tories are wilfully burning it.
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 9:08 am
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BREXIT double speak !!

Just listened to a brexit MP explain that people did NOT vote for an end to free movement but for " control ".
If free movement continues for up to 4 years to 2023 that will be OK because it will be what best for the UK economy.
Suzan Evans UKIP was not a happy woman when discussing this wave of realism that seems to be sweeping through some on the Brexit side.

Her view, " it's not what we voted for ".
A view shared by Jacob RM.
She is correct, it is not what people voted for.
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 9:22 am
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Freedom of movement was why some voted to leave the EU but many ,very many voted because of " immigration ".

If the same rules are applied and EU migration equalled in numbers the same as non EU , the faragists, the ukipians, the right ,all those who think that there are too many immigrants " full stop " will be up in arms.

Equality , a reduction in All immigrants is what many voted for.

What ever brexit produces it will not put that genie back in the bottle.
Being anti immigration is now an acceptable position to hold.
It seems may who voted for Brexit will be disappointed with the outcome.

Save money ? Looks like a tremendous cost in the process to leave the EU. Stop and reduce immigration? Doesn't seem that that will happen. EU laws and regulations ? Many will be kept or have to be complied with to export to EU. Already according to press reports it seems that to safeguard rights of UK citizens in the EU Britain will have to grant a lot to EU citizens in Britain. Obviously leaving the EU will have some negative economic effects, hardly clear new trade deals have completely offset those negative effects.

UK will remain one of the world's top economies and trading nations. Brexit hardly , as EMR points out, will achieve the desired outcome of many of its supporters.
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 9:22 am
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She is correct, it is not what people voted for.
So what did they vote for ?
How many expectations of brexit were there last June ?

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Old Jul 21st 2017, 9:36 am
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BREXIT double speak !!

Just listened to a brexit MP explain that people did NOT vote for an end to free movement but for " control ".
If free movement continues for up to 4 years after we " leave " to 2023 that will be OK because it will be what best for the UK economy.
Suzan Evans UKIP was not a happy woman when discussing this wave of realism that seems to be sweeping through some on the Brexit side.

Her view, " it's not what we voted for ".
A view shared by Jacob RM.,
About half of those who voted in the EU Referendum last year aren't going to get What they voted for.
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 9:36 am
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So what did they vote for ?
To leave the EU -
primarily to reduce immigration, secondarily to remove the ECJ.
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
Yes I have read it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...global-economy

Yes "not the only way"----- not that they wouldn't be sought after!

"Importance of FTAs to the global economy"
"Approach must be manifold using FTAs" and other means.


(PS --for you and Morpeth---While discussing trade, Liam Fox mentions the poverty level in India as defined by the Word Bank as 22% in 2011, even better than my 25% estimate).
Wonderful speech. Reality is a bit different for those who have suffered from mismanaged globalism. And a strange speech- obviously UK will have less free trade with EU after Brexit. Free trade isnt the same as trade agreements. All the speech is saying (a) Britain has voted to reduce free trade system with EU (b) and will try to get better deals with non-EU countries, while of course EU will happily not try to get similar terms to let UK have a competitive advantage.

I think the speech shows why people are so fed up with politicians- the speech should have been (a) we have voted against free trade with our largest trading partner (b) so we will seek trade agreements with developing countries that often come out way ahead ( eg. Nafta) than the developed country.

While I can see some emotional satisfaction in leaving the EU, I am struggling to see the practical advantages overall.

(As far as the PS Bipat we have covered his off-topic subject at length, and it is hardly a boast that India sets its poverty line on par with Rwanda. Maybe Uk should re-set its definition of poverty to that of Indonesia and poverty statistics could show a dramatic reduction overnight).

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