Garbatellamike

Whilst the moaning is excessive - you are being ridiculous if you call them traitors - they have a right to be a very vocal minority.

AllanB

So what what the comment about my not being patriotic?

Are you now saying I live in the past? Surely my forward thinking Brexit stance demonstrates that to be untrue?

and that I ignore the realities of business?

My biggest customer, who I have dealt with for more than 30 years is German and neither of us see a big problem with Brexit. It will work itself out, business is business and politics is bollocks.

AllanB

Put it this way, if one of my employees kept slagging off my company, telling everyone we are hopeless and are going to fail, I would sack them. get it?

Don't you understand this is really bad for business?

and this "vocal minority" you speak of, are the UK media.

Scamp

If we're going out then what's the problem? Why are you moaning?

EMR

The idea that there is a world out there just waiting for brexit so that they can buy from the UK is bollocks.
The idea that UK manufacturing will stop declining and become An export driven engine for the economy is bollocks.
The idea that the UK will be able to compete with the fast growing economies of the world is bollocks.
The idea that the UK can does not need its largest market , on its doorstep , tarrif free with mutual protection from dumping and sub standard products is bollocks.
The idea that those who voted to leave and will see an improvement in almost every aspect of their lives is bollocks.
The idea that UK inward immigration will be dramatically reduced and that Brits will benefit from higher wages and better job opportunities is bollocks.

Brexit is b*******

iano

Scamp, it's because you, and I, and others are not 'talking up' the country and its future, like salesmen, second-hand car salesmen.

AllanB

My last word, I have had my own business since November 1985 and it gone through good and bad times and the fight to get things back on track is both fun and obviously rewarding.

Brexit is going to be tough, it has already cost me quite a few £thousand when I bought my house in Portugal mid Brexit, but I am so looking forward to it being a big success.

That said, "Better to be a poor master than a rich slave"- Michael Caine, and not a lot of people know that.

EMR

Only the rich and wealthy are stupid enough to think like that.

amideislas

It's not "my" analogy, and the old premise suggesting Britain is somehow "shackled" is false. Britain has always done whatever it wants.

Except of course, where it aspires to violate the obligations it previously agreed to, but then, it will need to give up the benefits of those agreements. It can't have both.

The irony of course, is that what it agreed to is actually a good thing, and aside from ideological arguments, it's almost impossible to demonstrate tangible downside.

Yet there's significant quantifiable downside to giving it all up for solely ideological reasons, which is why it's all in question now.

Red Eric

Hey, folks.

Have a butcher's at this and then, based on recent events, have a guess at what happens next ...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-boris-johnson

iano

Hey, Eric !

My guess is, UKIP will endorse said comments.

Blow me down, and they've done so already.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

Annetje

I am wondering whether AllanB is Bojo himself ???

Seeing there is ''no plan for no deal'' the cliff edge is coming closer and closer.
As an European, seeing all these clowns stating day after day : I WANT ... I WANT ... I WANT ... maybe very soon the EU will tell them exactly where to find this WANT ! Maybe I am misunderstanding Mayhem and she actually means ''a Wand'' ?

(Just talking to myself I think, very hot here )

Red Eric

Not quite so much the fan of free speech you were posing as a week or so back now, are you?

amideislas

If Britain were demonstrably "enslaved", you might actually have a point. But it's not, and therefore, you don't. And that's precisely why the whole premise is increasingly considered dubious.

One by one, Brexit’s ‘salvations’ are seen to be illusory

The Brexiteers fear they are losing the argument

As the costs of EU withdrawal become clear, the Leavers are desperately searching for scapegoats.

SultanOfSwing

You and Scamp? Does his wife know about that?

Congratulations to you both though.