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Old Jul 7th 2017, 2:36 pm
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Originally Posted by JamesM View Post
Britain produces nothing and now it has to pay more for it's imports on top of the fact that foreign investment is drying up.

It's the fault of the remoaners. They've talked us into this because of their accurate forecasting and understanding of the basic principles of economics.

If they had gotten behind Farage, his red bus and magic money tree we'd be on top of the world like the good old days of the empire.
Never a truer word said in jest, get ready for the backlash from our ultra brexiters.
I hope you are not a sensitive soul and can take being called a liar ,a lefty and anti brit ,that's when they are being polite.
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Old Jul 7th 2017, 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by iano View Post
Major, Blair and Brown were all strongly pro-EU, and still are. Even Thatcher was for a while.

All have had problems with the right wing UK media, 'the bastards' and a strongly nationalistic underbelly of widespread euroscepticism in the nation as a whole, that wot UKIP tapped into.
Blair was definitely pro EU as he wanted to be one of the Presidents. Brown took a more measured view hence his refusal to allow Blair and Mandy to drag us into the EZ.
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Old Jul 7th 2017, 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by iano View Post
Major, Blair and Brown were all strongly pro-EU, and still are. Even Thatcher was for a while.

All have had problems with the right wing UK media, 'the bastards' and a strongly nationalistic underbelly of widespread euroscepticism in the nation as a whole, that wot UKIP tapped into.
I think there's a difference between a strong, pro-EU PM and a strongly pro-EU PM.

Blair was too tightly embedded in the US-UK 'special relationship' even when we held the Presidency of the EU Council of Ministers. He could have done much more for the UK's position in the EU.
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Old Jul 7th 2017, 2:52 pm
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
I think there's a difference between a strong, pro-EU PM and a strongly pro-EU PM.

Blair was too tightly embedded in the US-UK 'special relationship' even when we held the Presidency of the EU Council of Ministers. He could have done much more for the UK's position in the EU.
Agreed but Blair was concerned about Blair's position in the EU not the UK's position.
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Old Jul 7th 2017, 2:53 pm
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Originally Posted by JamesM View Post
Britain produces nothing and now it has to pay more for it's imports on top of the fact that foreign investment is drying up.

It's the fault of the remoaners. They've talked us into this because of their accurate forecasting and understanding of the basic principles of economics.

If they had gotten behind Farage, his red bus and magic money tree we'd be on top of the world like the good old days of the empire.
Foreign investment is not drying up according to reports.

Foreign investors back Brexit Britain

Britain leads Europe as investment magnet - for now
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Old Jul 7th 2017, 3:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
The markets react to what is happening now,to tends, not reports in the brexit telegraph a few months ago.
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Old Jul 7th 2017, 3:21 pm
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Blair was too tightly embedded in the US-UK 'special relationship' even when we held the Presidency of the EU Council of Ministers. He could have done much more for the UK's position in the EU.
Yep, think you've hit the nail. The UK does like to have its cake and eat it, but it's either US poodle, or EU leader, you can't do both.

Time will tell, but my hunch is we'd have been much better off disentangling from US ties, rather than EU ties, and actively encouraging stronger EU/US relations instead. Would never have happened of course not while the UK alone continues to suffer that WWII hangover/mindset.
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Old Jul 7th 2017, 3:46 pm
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Originally Posted by JamesM View Post
Britain produces nothing and now it has to pay more for it's imports on top of the fact that foreign investment is drying up.

It's the fault of the remoaners. They've talked us into this because of their accurate forecasting and understanding of the basic principles of economics.

If they had gotten behind Farage, his red bus and magic money tree we'd be on top of the world like the good old days of the empire.
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Old Jul 8th 2017, 9:20 am
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Originally Posted by Garbatellamike View Post
Blair was definitely pro EU as he wanted to be one of the Presidents. Brown took a more measured view hence his refusal to allow Blair and Mandy to drag us into the EZ.
You mean we could have been 'king' of Europe,in Merkel's position if Brown hadn't been such a party pooper? RATS
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Old Jul 8th 2017, 9:24 am
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Originally Posted by Garbatellamike View Post
Agreed but Blair was concerned about Blair's position in the EU not the UK's position.
Ah but if he hadn't been foiled ,we would have been the string on his kite. Pro US he might have been..at the time..but look how things change..Better to be in a power position ,than not.when that happens imo
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Old Jul 8th 2017, 10:05 am
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Originally Posted by GeniB View Post
You mean we could have been 'king' of Europe,in Merkel's position if Brown hadn't been such a party pooper? RATS
nope we'd have been in the same place but Blair would have had more support for his personalambitions.
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Old Jul 8th 2017, 10:07 am
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Ah but if he hadn't been foiled ,we would have been the string on his kite. Pro US he might have been..at the time..but look how things change..Better to be in a power position ,than not.when that happens imo
I don't understand that at all Geni - sorry. What are you trying to say?
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Old Jul 8th 2017, 3:00 pm
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Originally Posted by JamesM View Post
Britain produces nothing and now it has to pay more for it's imports on top of the fact that foreign investment is drying up.
After 40+ years in the EU to-boot!
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Old Jul 8th 2017, 3:28 pm
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After 40+ years in the EU to-boot!
Off course its the EU who responsible for the lack of investment by British companies in British manufacturing.
It could not be anything to do with the UK.
Please explain if you can would the Airbus project , the Euro fighter, the UK foreign owned vehicle manufacturers , who export almost 50% of their production to the EU rtc would have happened if the UK had not been part of the tarrif free EU market place.
I open the floor to you.
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Off course its the EU who responsible for the lack of investment by British companies in British manufacturing.
It could not be anything to do with the UK.
Please explain if you can would the Airbus project , the Euro fighter, the UK foreign owned vehicle manufacturers , who export almost 50% of their production to the EU rtc would have happened if the UK had not been part of the tarrif free EU market place.
I open the floor to you.
You guys like to suggest that all the good things that happen in the UK are down to membership of the EU, but like to suggest any bad things are down to the British government. Your hate and disdain of your own country must be a difficult thing to live-with.
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