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Old Jun 25th 2017, 7:38 am
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate View Post
The EU is founded on freedom of movement something that Spain has always refused to allow on the Gibraltar frontier.
You are confusing freedom of movement and border controls. Common mistake.

Maybe if Gibraltar wasn't such a notorious den of smugglers and money-launderers, the border checks wouldn't need to be so stringent and time-consuming.
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Old Jun 25th 2017, 8:12 am
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
I have been discussing the "focus" of this 'thread'--post EU which concerns the UK. India has a very close relationship with the UK, the majority of foreign born in the UK are of subcontinent origin.

I try to help with the natural lack of knowledge about this country by those who seem to have little. (You mentioned just its problems with China its neighbour regardless of its close relationship with other neighbours.) (It has never invaded another country!)

The recent links I have put concerning discussions in individual European countries with the Indian PM did not get any response. If the EU does regenerate the failed talks as it has been trying three times this year!--It will be 'one in the eye' for the UK!

As I said above leaving the EU does not indicate the relationship with European countries will end does it?
India is NOT the only country with a ''close relationship'' to the UK. We know it is close to your heart, but so is Belgium to me, Portugal to someone else, France to me as well, etc etc etc ! Guess what, we are not banging on about these countries, so let's stop favorizing India, shall we ! You have your own special threat anyway.
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Old Jun 25th 2017, 8:12 am
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate View Post
The EU is founded on freedom of movement something that Spain has always refused to allow on the Gibraltar frontier.



My complaint is how we get there.



So the majority knew Spain would be given a special veto?

That explains why the Chief Minister has stated:-

If another referendum on EU membership were held tomorrow, the Union would be lucky to get one or two votes from Gibraltar, according to the Chief Minister. This follows the news that the European Council has approved the negotiating guidelines for Brexit, which sets aside the matter of Gibraltar to be negotiated bilaterally between the UK and Spain. Fabian Picardo says this is a complete abdication of the EU’s responsibility



That one sentence underlines your gross stupidity
Spain does not block access it just makes it inconvenient.,you still have freedom of movement.
The UK has checks, does it block freedom of movement.

You still cannot accept that a vote for brexit was a vote for the unknown.
If the majority in Gib had voted to leave Spain would have acted in exactly the same way.
The population of
Gibraltar has been been hung out to dry by the majority vote in the UK.
The UK is ignori g the 90% plus vote to remain in Gibraltar, forcing it to leave the EU and be subject to what ever limitations Spain imposes.
You have said many times that you would be happy to have the border closed as it was when Franco was in power.

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Old Jun 25th 2017, 8:39 am
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Originally Posted by Annetje View Post
India is NOT the only country with a ''close relationship'' to the UK. We know it is close to your heart, but so is Belgium to me, Portugal to someone else, France to me as well, etc etc etc ! Guess what, we are not banging on about these countries, so let's stop favorizing India, shall we ! You have your own special threat anyway.
No of course it is not the only country with a close relationship with the UK, however I think the fact that the majority of foreign born people in the UK are from the subcontinent is important, the Commonwealth countries were a major trading partner before the EEC and will be important for trade Post Brexit. That is what this thread is also about.

I have just tried to correct some of the the ignorance about at least one
non- European country. This is an expat Forum, obviously all bang on about the countries they live in ---(the above points about Gibraltar etc). As I said above what interest has been shown about to the to and fro visits between the EU and the Indian PM to certain EU countries including France??
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
More or less got it spot on.. has't he... But then again ,like so many other's he has fallen into the trap of believing this had been a serious 'plan' in the first place.
I maintain it was not. It was a hair brained 'plot' by a bunch of self important upper middle class twats,who firmly believed they had the god given right to rule the UK. They simple did not like the 'socialist' (with a soft s ) policies coming out of the more 'adult' Europe. They may even have seen the declining importance of the Royal families influence. The slow movement towards a more egalitarian Britain. whose citizens were seeing fairer approach on the continent... Can't have that.
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Old Jun 25th 2017, 2:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
No of course it is not the only country with a close relationship with the UK, however I think the fact that the majority of foreign born people in the UK are from the subcontinent is important, the Commonwealth countries were a major trading partner before the EEC and will be important for trade Post Brexit. That is what this thread is also about.

I have just tried to correct some of the the ignorance about at least one
non- European country. This is an expat Forum, obviously all bang on about the countries they live in ---(the above points about Gibraltar etc). As I said above what interest has been shown about to the to and fro visits between the EU and the Indian PM to certain EU countries including France??
Never mind
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Old Jun 25th 2017, 2:22 pm
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Never mind
RBS to move 450 jobs from the UK to India as part of a cost cutting campaign.
Is this the promised post brexit benefit.
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Old Jun 25th 2017, 2:31 pm
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RBS to move 450 jobs from the UK to India as part of a cost cutting campaign.
Is this the promised post brexit benefit.
Surely they would have been looking to do this regardless of brexit?
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Old Jun 25th 2017, 2:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Assanah View Post
Your ideology is that somehow "white" Europeans have only isolate feelings because they focus on Europe and not on India. 1. What is wrong with focusing on our neighbors foremost? Europe is very much involved in the Middle East and Africa. They influence us much more than India does.
2. Maybe, just maybe Europe can teach the world something about making peace after terrible wars. Would that be a thought you allow yourself to think! Europe not being racist with isolated thinking but leading the front in cosmopolitan, open and liberal way that does include the freedom of movement for humans as well as goods and services. Maybe the EU is the first step to an integrated world (I am actually talking about the world, not just India - btw China belongs to the world as much as India does that is why I am speaking about China or Brazil or South Africa or……).

Stop dismissing the EU as a trade organization. It is not, it is so much more and if you refuse to see it than I cannot help you.
Have you been to Europe?
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Old Jun 25th 2017, 3:44 pm
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Like me, Assannah lives there.

More appropriately, have you been to "Europe"? (aside from 2 weeks holiday).
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Like me, Assannah lives there.

More appropriately, have you been to "Europe"? (aside from 2 weeks holiday).
I've owned a house in Europe for the past 20-odd years, so yes.

The idea that Europe is some sort of hippy-dippy, non-racist, open & liberal nirvana is nonsense - the UK is one of the most open and tolerant places in Europe.
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I don't think anyone has referred to "Europe" as "Nirvana". And in terms of social systems, Europe is demonstrably less liberal than Britain.

The reason why Europeans and most of the rest of the world are now seeing (and expressing) a weak, deluded Britain is simply because it exhibits it. And the populist fad that's led it here is yesterday's chic. But that's what Britain voted for, so its perfectly natural to express that irony, even of Britain fears hearing it.

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate View Post
The EU is founded on freedom of movement something that Spain has always refused to allow on the Gibraltar frontier.
New EU rules requiring tighter checks at Schengen borders will come into force on April 7 2017

The UK and Gib are not in Schengen, so there are always going to be border checks at Schengen/non-Schengen border points. Those checks became stronger 2 months ago.
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You are confusing freedom of movement and border controls. Common mistake.
There is a big difference between border controls and deliberate obstruction.

Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
Maybe if Gibraltar wasn't such a notorious den of smugglers and money-launderers, the border checks wouldn't need to be so stringent and time-consuming.
Gibraltar's financial activities are subject to UK government control, intervention and agreement.
Don't believe all the negative publicity put out by Spain as part of their campaign against Gibraltar.
We have TIEA's in place with many countries, however one exception is Spain. The documents have been sitting on the Chief Ministers desk for many years but Spain refuses to sign them.
Could that be because she would have to stop telling porkies?

There have been reports in the media recently about the frontier fence.
Spaniards are using 4x4's to rip sections of the fence apart to gain access , we are patrolling and repairing whilst there is no intervention from the authorities on the Spanish side. I wonder why?
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Old Jun 26th 2017, 6:38 am
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate View Post
Don't believe all the negative publicity put out by Spain as part of their campaign against Gibraltar.
Thanks for the tip. However, on this occasion I was referring to negative publicity put out by OLAF, the EU anti-fraud office, who had firm reason to believe, for example, that the 117 million packs of cigarettes imported into Gib in 2013 weren't consumed by the 30,000 Gibraltarians who live there and that even allowing for purchases by chain-smoking tourists didn't explain that amount of consumption.

Funnily enough, when stricter border controls were introduced in 2014, the figure for imports for the comparable period fell to 36 million packs.

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Gibraltar's financial activities are subject to UK government control, intervention and agreement.
We have TIEA's in place with many countries, however one exception is Spain. The documents have been sitting on the Chief Ministers desk for many years but Spain refuses to sign them.
It was money-laundering I referred to, rather than Gibraltar's famous tax haven status, but yes, I'm sure the UK's support for that is also a bone of contention with the Spaniards.
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