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la mancha Jun 15th 2017 9:45 pm

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Brexit will be great for Britain. Brexit 2019 will not be the same Brexit 2024 and after. Brexit is uncharted territory because the EU did not make it clear what a nation leaving the EU would mean. The EU also does not make it clear what remaining in the EU means. The EU has been uncharted territory since they said goodbye to the EEC and hello to the EU. The whole organisation stumbles along on a wish and a prayer. In Spain the Banco Popular and Liberbank are now both finished. Nine years after the crisis. Just what the hell is going on in the Eurozone? Why can’t they fix it? What is the plan for stability and giving people their lives back? The way forward for everyone, the EU and Britain, is now uncharted territory mainly due to the incompetence of the European Union. But we have our destiny in our own hands, unlike the Spanish, for example, who have to go along with the whim of the European Union.

Lion in Winter Jun 15th 2017 9:52 pm

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Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12274070)
Brexit will be great for Britain. Brexit 2019 will not be the same Brexit 2024 and after. Brexit is uncharted territory because the EU did not make it clear what a nation leaving the EU would mean. The EU also does not make it clear what remaining in the EU means. The EU has been uncharted territory since they said goodbye to the EEC and hello to the EU. The whole organisation stumbles along on a wish and a prayer. In Spain the Banco Popular and Liberbank are now both finished. Nine years after the crisis. Just what the hell is going on in the Eurozone? Why can’t they fix it? What is the plan for stability and giving people their lives back? The way forward for everyone, the EU and Britain, is now uncharted territory mainly due to the incompetence of the European Union. But we have our destiny in our own hands, unlike the Spanish, for example, who have to go along with the whim of the European Union.

Or not.

SultanOfSwing Jun 15th 2017 10:03 pm

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Originally Posted by mrken30 (Post 12274052)
Same altitude as a lot of politicians. What percentage have their head in the clouds?

Whatever's left over after you subtract the percentage who have their heads up their arses?

GeniB Jun 15th 2017 10:27 pm

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Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12274070)
Brexit will be great for Britain. Brexit 2019 will not be the same Brexit 2024 and after. Brexit is uncharted territory because the EU did not make it clear what a nation leaving the EU would mean. The EU also does not make it clear what remaining in the EU means. The EU has been uncharted territory since they said goodbye to the EEC and hello to the EU. The whole organisation stumbles along on a wish and a prayer. In Spain the Banco Popular and Liberbank are now both finished. Nine years after the crisis. Just what the hell is going on in the Eurozone? Why can’t they fix it? What is the plan for stability and giving people their lives back? The way forward for everyone, the EU and Britain, is now uncharted territory mainly due to the incompetence of the European Union. But we have our destiny in our own hands, unlike the Spanish, for example, who have to go along with the whim of the European Union.

Are you on the sauce Mancha? What on earth are you blethering about?

(a) why should the EU make it clear what leaving it would mean? They are not the ones leaving. The UK is. Believe me the UK 'knows' what leaving it will mean, because they signed the b****y articles when they joined... Something the public in the UK were not privy too.?
When the Maastricht treaty was about to be signed ALL the newspapers in the Netherlands printed double page spreads with ALL the details of what it would mean for the Dutch.
(b) The EU does not have to 'make it clear what staying in the EU means' Most of the 27 countries know that already..why should it be explained?
(c) It does not 'stumble along' You have to appreciate ...once and for all. That your views..on behalf of half of Britain.. are not shared in the rest of the Union.
They are completely bemused and bewildered by the UK's stance. Maybe ,I suspect,because they are unaware of how little the average Brit actually knows about the EU. and its workings. It is a tradition in the UK to keep the public ignorant of whats really going on.Feed them foot high headlines and they will be happy,approach...
Your partially right in saying it is 'unchartered territory' but then..of course it is. durh How can it be otherwise?:o
It is a 'work in progress' that relies on its members for it's success..or its failure. Britain joined,became a senior member, a net contributor as one of the richest countries.. Then inexplicable? Decided it would sit on the fence and heckle , rather than take a leading role. Something they were asked to do at least three times. Now why was that?. Not team players? Worried they were not up to snuff? Or simple and more probably.They didn't want to treat all their citizens to the standards demanded by Brussels. They didn't want the British people to know that actually they weren't doing that well anymore.compared to say. Germany. They found they were just one voice,instead of 'the' voice of power.

I have lIved and worked in the EU for over 30 yrs. I have seen the advances made by countries because of the efforts put in by the EU. It is tangible and visible progress.I had not seen it in the UK. Until very recently that is ,when visiting Liverpool and seeing the incredible change in that city since the horror's of the 1980's That was down to EU and private money. Not the UK government. Which begs the question.. What exactly did happen to the millions that the UK received from the EU fund? Where did it go? Anyone know?

Finally... what the heck does the failure of the Spanish banks have to do with the EU.? The banks failed because of the massive swindle perpetrated in America. The ball has slowly rolled over the rest of the world.crushing Banks left right and centre. Some got propped up/bailed out by Governments. Ours in particular,using our Tax money,not once but twice.. Do you think that was ok?. I certainly don't.That those banks in your post survived this long is a miracle. The EU cannot 'fix' problems in individual countries.it's not what it's for.
As to what's going on in the Eurozone.? I can only speak for Portugal right now. It's doing very well indeed thank you. Far from falling into the abyss as predicted so strongly by the rating agencies ,( Yep those owned and run by the American government.) It has made the strongest growth in Europe this year.Guess who is in the forefront of promoting it' Why the good old USA of course dummy. It's the 3rd safest country in the world ,so of course having screwed up most of the World,they are flocking here now. :eek: Politics heh..

Fredbargate Jun 16th 2017 4:20 am

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Originally Posted by iano (Post 12273935)
So who the hell in their right mind would choose to venture into uncharted territory without a plan ? Oh yes, the likes of you, manch !

Still, in the meantime we can always blame the EU for drafting a shoddy Article 50, that Baron Kerr of Kinlochard GCMG needs shooting.

Jeez.

Columbus, Cook, Magellan, Livingstone,Amundsen etc.

Fredbargate Jun 16th 2017 4:25 am

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Originally Posted by GeniB (Post 12274087)

I have lIved and worked in the EU for over 30 yrs.

The Maastricht Treaty established the European Union in 1993 :rofl:

mrken30 Jun 16th 2017 4:29 am

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12274153)
The Maastricht Treaty established the European Union in 1993 :rofl:

I'm sure he meant to say EU/EEC

Assanah Jun 16th 2017 5:04 am

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Originally Posted by GeniB (Post 12274087)
As to what's going on in the Eurozone.? I can only speak for Portugal right now. It's doing very well indeed thank you.

Germany is also doing very well. Better to ask what is going on with the UK? The country has one of the weakest growth rates in the EU, being down there with Greece. Must be those damned "EU rules" that keep the UK from growing 😱😱

Assanah Jun 16th 2017 5:06 am

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12274151)
Columbus, Cook, Magellan, Livingstone,Amundsen etc.

I am sure that they had a plan. Taking care of their means of transportation, clothes, food ect and knowing their direction even if they didn't know the outcome....

amideislas Jun 16th 2017 6:57 am

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12274073)
Or not.

By all credible accounts, this seems to be the overwhelming consensus. The data certainly supports it.

Funny, if you compare the arguments on both sides, the "Brexit is going to be great" arguments consistently dismiss known fundamental truths, relying almost entirely on sentiment. A "wish" for it to be "great", justified with illusory "it's really bad over there" rhetoric. Ironically self-vindicating hypocrisy originating almost exclusively from within the "bubble". Yet, as the fog clears in the channel, it's becoming an increasingly lonely sentiment.

No worries, reality has a funny way of sorting things out. It already is. But you can still expect some continued denial, anger and depression before finally reaching acceptance.

iano Jun 16th 2017 7:53 am

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12274151)
Columbus, Cook, Magellan, Livingstone,Amundsen etc.

Morning, Fred.

This is desperate stuff, you're actually likening the Brexit preparations and planning of Delusional Davies, Foxy, BoJo & co with some of the great expeditions of exploration ? Tell us you're joking ?!


I may say that this is the greatest factor—the way in which the expedition is equipped—the way in which every difficulty is foreseen, and precautions taken for meeting or avoiding it. Victory awaits him who has everything in order—luck, people call it. Defeat is certain for him who has neglected to take the necessary precautions in time; this is called bad luck.
- Roald Admundsen

DaveLovesDee Jun 16th 2017 7:54 am

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12274192)
By all credible accounts, this seems to be the overwhelming consensus. The data certainly supports it.

Funny, if you compare the arguments on both sides, the "Brexit is going to be great" arguments consistently dismiss known fundamental truths, relying almost entirely on sentiment. A "wish" for it to be "great", justified with illusory "it's really bad over there" rhetoric. Ironically self-vindicating hypocrisy originating almost exclusively from within the "bubble". Yet, as the fog clears in the channel, it's becoming an increasingly lonely sentiment.

No worries, reality has a funny way of sorting things out. It already is. But you can still expect some continued denial, anger and depression before finally reaching acceptance.

Just as the Remain side's warnings were dismissed as Project Fear by Leavers, perhaps we should refer to Leave's assurances as Project Hope?

Or A New Hope...... With Obi-Wan Corbyn :p

http://screenfish.net/wp-content/upl...ewhopemain.jpg

GeniB Jun 16th 2017 9:46 am

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12274153)
The Maastricht Treaty established the European Union in 1993 :rofl:

AND your point is? :confused:

GeniB Jun 16th 2017 9:49 am

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Originally Posted by Assanah (Post 12274165)
Germany is also doing very well. Better to ask what is going on with the UK? The country has one of the weakest growth rates in the EU, being down there with Greece. Must be those damned "EU rules" that keep the UK from growing 😱😱

:goodpost:

Expatrick Jun 16th 2017 10:59 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12271350)
The supply of EU educated nurses has not been "cut off", why should they not continue to apply once the present uncertainty has been settled.
Twice as many have come from non-EU countries, they are also trained.

But I thought the idea was to reduce immigration!


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