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Old Jun 15th 2017, 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
So you believe we can set the terms for that as well?
Don't forget that The World will actively want to form agreements with UK unlike the EU who were totally against the UK and just wanted to make difficulties for us all the time.

I'm sure everything will be fine.
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Old Jun 15th 2017, 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by jimenato View Post
Don't forget that The World will actively want to form agreements with UK unlike the EU who were totally against the UK and just wanted to make difficulties for us all the time.

I'm sure everything will be fine.

Anything to back that one up ? Especially the ''making difficulties'' ?
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Old Jun 15th 2017, 10:05 am
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Originally Posted by Annetje View Post
Anything to back that one up ? Especially the ''making difficulties'' ?
I think Jim was being sarcastic....
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Old Jun 15th 2017, 10:07 am
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
I think Jim was being sarcastic....
Oops ...

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Old Jun 15th 2017, 10:09 am
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
So you believe we can set the terms for that as well?
In negotiation both sides have "terms", there is always compromise.

"set the terms"--do you mean 'bottom line', which either side will walk away if they don't get? "No deal"?

What is certain nobody entering into a negotiation about anything, broadcasts in advance to the 'world' (the press) their strategies and hoped for results.
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Old Jun 15th 2017, 10:19 am
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
In negotiation both sides have "terms", there is always compromise.

"set the terms"--do you mean 'bottom line', which either side will walk away if they don't get? "No deal"?

What is certain nobody entering into a negotiation about anything, broadcasts in advance to the 'world' (the press) their strategies and hoped for results.
Have you been listening and reading the pre elections stance from our government.
All change now with a definite relaxation of terms.
Both sides will have a Needs and Wants list and both will be trying to get all of their needs and as many of their wants as they can.
Of course the problems will occur when our needs are only the other parties wants and vice versa.
E.g., We need tariff free access to the EU markets
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Old Jun 15th 2017, 10:24 am
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Look, all this speculation ... keeping single market and customs union, but maybe not freedom of movement, and maybe not this or that...

This has all been clarified. Repeatedly. Ad nauseum.

Brexit does indeed mean Brexit. If Britain leaves, it will be Brexit. Anything else is just a distinction without a difference.
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Old Jun 15th 2017, 1:02 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Look, all this speculation ... keeping single market and customs union, but maybe not freedom of movement, and maybe not this or that...

This has all been clarified. Repeatedly. Ad nauseum.

Brexit does indeed mean Brexit. If Britain leaves, it will be Brexit. Anything else is just a distinction without a difference.
Exactly. Brexit means the UK no longer being a member of the European Union.

Whether we join the EEA, or become an external trading partner of the EU with bilateral agreements, or without (and trading under WTO rules), we'll still be a non-EU country.

Of course, if the government decides to grow a set of balls (and commit political suicide) and point out that Brexit will be damaging to the UK, then Brexit may be off. But that's about as likely as Donald Trump admitting he has no clue what he's doing.
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Old Jun 15th 2017, 1:12 pm
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Exactly. Brexit means the UK no longer being a member of the European Union.

Whether we join the EEA, or become an external trading partner of the EU with bilateral agreements, or without (and trading under WTO rules), we'll still be a non-EU country.

Of course, if the government decides to grow a set of balls (and commit political suicide) and point out that Brexit will be damaging to the UK, then Brexit may be off. But that's about as likely as Donald Trump admitting he has no clue what he's doing.
EEA (e.g., Norway-Like) is very similar to full membership, particularly with respect to those obligations which Brexiteers find objectionable; the "four freedoms", contribution, etc. EEA membership does not facilitate direct representation in EU parliament, however. Distinction, yes, but not much difference.
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Old Jun 15th 2017, 1:52 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
EEA (e.g., Norway-Like) is very similar to full membership, particularly with respect to those obligations which Brexiteers find objectionable; the "four freedoms", contribution, etc. EEA membership does not facilitate direct representation in EU parliament, however. Distinction, yes, but not much difference.
Yup. EEA= having to accept EU rules without being involved in the decision-making of those rules.

Remaining an EU member would be more beneficial to the UK than becoming an EEA member.
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Old Jun 15th 2017, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Brexit has turned out to be the most "embarrassing" event in British history. It is an act of a small group of ideological fundamentalists committed to a fantasy of reviving (quite "undemocratic") imperial glory, sold to a gullible electorate on the basis of false premises and fearmongering, employing a "democratic" process that diabolically provides illusory justification for it, regardless of the consequences.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Brexit means Brexit (whatever that means).
Sounds like your mates running Brussels to me.
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Old Jun 15th 2017, 2:16 pm
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On the other hand, becoming a member of the EEA means no longer necessarily having to abide by ECJ decisions, which is absolutely crucial if you're Theresa May.

Instead, member states submit to the jurisdiction of the EFTA Court.
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Old Jun 15th 2017, 2:29 pm
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Sounds like your mates running Brussels to me.
I tend to judge their actions as opposed to their words. Still, in both of those contexts, those "mates running Brussels" (I presume you are referring to the EU, which actually doesn't run Brussels), there's no comparison to what's taken place in London in the past few years.

Anyway, this explains a lot:

Thanks, Brits – Brexit has vaccinated Europe against populism

Even after the election we don’t know what you want. But your act of extreme self-harm has had a positive effect on the EU, and dealt heavy blows to nationalists
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Old Jun 15th 2017, 2:48 pm
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Yup. EEA= having to accept EU rules without being involved in the decision-making of those rules.

Remaining an EU member would be more beneficial to the UK than becoming an EEA member.
Well, yes, of course. But they held a referendum, and now they're stuck with having to figure out how to leave the EU without actually leaving it. Or the alternative, which is by all accounts, quite unpleasant. No upside either way. But everybody knew that when they voted, didn't they?
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Old Jun 15th 2017, 2:55 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
I tend to judge their actions as opposed to their words. Still, in both of those contexts, those "mates running Brussels" (I presume you are referring to the EU, which actually doesn't run Brussels), there's no comparison to what's taken place in London in the past few years.

Anyway, this explains a lot:

Thanks, Brits – Brexit has vaccinated Europe against populism

Even after the election we don’t know what you want. But your act of extreme self-harm has had a positive effect on the EU, and dealt heavy blows to nationalists
I also tend to judge their actions. That is why I made the comment I did.

Your link, as with all others, is typical ‘kick the shite out of Britain unless we get our own way’ stuff. It doesn’t make sense at all. ‘Brexit has vaccinated Europe against Populism.’ But Brexit was nothing to do with political parties. It was to do with EU membership. Voters of all political denominations in Britain voted OUT. This article seems to be confusing voting in a referendum on remaining in the EU with voting for political parties of whatever their agenda in Europe. But anything goes if it knocks Britain, doesn’t it, Ami?

But why does it bother you so much? I thought you would have morphed into a German by now with your new German passport.
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