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Fredbargate Jun 14th 2017 6:49 am

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Originally Posted by Assanah (Post 12272689)
We have discussed this many times. But just in case you haven't noticed there​ is a whole big world (aka India) out there with billions of customers to replace the British. The EU is going global honey

So is the UK darling

On it's own terms

Assanah Jun 14th 2017 7:00 am

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12272724)
So is the UK darling

On it's own terms



I was just joking. We all know that trading with the world isn't possible under those damned "EU rules". So the EU will of course now suffer immensely and lose out globally and the UK - free of those damned "EU rules" - will rise to be the shining global trade leader.

GeniB Jun 14th 2017 7:06 am

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Originally Posted by iano (Post 12272131)
What's making my head explode is all this 11th hour call for cross-party consensus on 'what type of Brexit deal' the UK should 'negotiate'.

The EU is clear, always has been clear, there is to be no cherry-picking by the UK, membership of the single market means accepting free movement. There is UK wide delusion that a 'deal' can be reached where the EU compromises on one of its fundamental 4 pillars, free movement. It just ain't going to happen.

Many will recall the original 'Leaving the EU' thread where some of us were saying that clarifying the issue of the single market, which has never been made clear despite claims to the contrary, was absolutely critical. Now a mere week before negotiations begin to disentangle ourselves from the EU, the UK is STILL not crystal clear on its economic or negotiating position.

This should have all been resolved BEFORE the referendum, all cards put on the table with think tanks, cross-party committees, business leaders, trades unions etc all coming together to thrash out what leaving the EU (including leaving the single market/customs Union) and all its ramifications would mean to the nation, it really is that important. Then put it to the electorate before allowing them to vote on it.

The fact it hasn't, means this whole charade is a national disgrace, and a national humiliation.


:goodpost: Once again.. does this need to keep being repeated..? Apparently yes it does for the slower ones amongst us...

The 'Oxford Set' wanted out of the EU for their own personal reason's/gain.. i.e. .. POWER.TO RULE THE UK..They set about systematically bad mouthing the EU over the last 20yrs.from their various positions outside of parliament.Then continued once elected Eventually imo.. bringing in Farage to push us over the edge with unjustified panic over immigration(please do feel free here to pop in with your own personal horror story about your PERSONAL ..experience of difficulties with immigrants..especially those from the EU.. that got somehow ?linked to the refugees and immigrants from none EU countries) If you ever watch programmes like Escape to country,you would think that the UK was empty by the way.or just preserving land for the wealthy.

Getting back to the OS's.. They had NO plan.. They just wanted out. Somehow hoping one of the numpties amongst them would come up with something. Or that waving the British flag and shouting a la..Thatcher would do the trick.. This was May's appalling approach.. and shows how b****y out of touch these Ivory tower graduates are.

We have been HAD folks.. It has been a semi orchestrated c**k up from day one.
Why do I think Farage was a stooge from the outset..?

(a) where did he get his funding from? apart from drawing a salary from the EU under false pretences that is. (and nicking the EU party funds) the Witherspoons guy couldn't possible fund that whole show..
(b) Where did Trump fit into this charade.. WHY choose Farage to lobby for him in the UK government? Why did Farage run to Trump when it was over .. Why did Trump offer him a job... get him a job at Fox news.?
(c) Why is he constantly in the news, on TV.. despite being a 'nothing' in politics now?
(d) if that bit in the Telegraph.. and others... about Farage being the 'negotiator between the DUP and the Government for Brexit is true.... again .. WHY FFS? ...Why was he even there to be asked?

People are all wringing their hands and looking in the wrong direction..:eek:
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EMR Jun 14th 2017 7:23 am

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12272679)
The only EU country on that list that buys more from the UK than we buy from is Ireland

Therefore it would appear the EU is likely to come off worst with a bad trade deal.

Tell that to the UK car industry with almost 50% of its production going to the EU.

amideislas Jun 14th 2017 7:24 am

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The delusion continues, but in increasing isolation. It appears that the "brexit team" are amongst a diminishing set of true believers.


Brexit broadside: British officials bristle at Danish scorn

Minister’s jibe about ‘small nations, and countries that have not yet realised they are small nations’ draws terse response

EMR Jun 14th 2017 7:25 am

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12272724)
So is the UK darling

On it's own terms

You really do live in the past. " on its own terms ".

amideislas Jun 14th 2017 7:35 am

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Here's a more pragmatic view from a leaver:

The true saboteurs of Brexit

After the referendum, the government had an opportunity to go about the exercise sensibly. There could be a realistic, open and collaborative approach to this most complicated of enterprises. To invoke the Star Wars films, there was one shot at the Death Star. That is what any administration sincere about “getting on with the job” would have done.

But the UK government chose to adopt an approach of slogans and secrecy. Instead of patient and transparent drudgery there was a belief that all that was needed was to say what the tabloids wanted to put on their front pages. Brexit would then somehow come about by magic, with the newspaper headlines as the invocations.

Anybody who questioned this approach were “Remoaners”, who had to “get over it”. But the real problem was closer to the Leavers: the (supposedly) pro-Brexit government was not getting on with the job. For all the cheers and jeers, the government was on the wrong track. The few close enough to offer good counsel, such as Sir Ivan Rogers, were effectively sidelined.

Read More

jimenato Jun 14th 2017 7:56 am

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Also from the ft
- all is not well in the department for exiting the EU.

A key official handling Britain's departure from the EU quit, convinced 'Brexit wouldn't work':

"The UK’s Brexit department has seen two of its four ministers depart this week, just days before negotiations with the EU are due to start, in a sign of mounting tensions between Downing Street and the ministry’s leadership.

David Jones, who led the Welsh arm of the Vote Leave campaign ahead of last June’s referendum, was sacked on Monday night and replaced by Joyce Anelay, a Foreign Office veteran who campaigned to remain in the EU. David Davis, the Brexit secretary, was not warned.

George Bridges, who was in charge of pushing Brexit legislation through parliament, quit on Tuesday after falling out with Theresa May, the prime minister.

According to people close to Lord Bridges, an EU advocate, he had become frustrated with the lack of consultation between Downing Street and the Department for Exiting the EU (Dexeu).

“Bridges is said to have quit on policy grounds, convinced Brexit couldn’t work,” said one Whitehall figure. “There is some disarray.”

(...)

Jill Rutter, programme director at the Institute for Government, described the personnel changes as deeply undesirable.

“This is absolutely the time when Dexeu needs to get moving, both with a major raft of legislation in parliament and the start of the Brexit negotiations. The departure of both ministers basically makes what was a difficult task even more difficult.”

Before the latest departures, Dexeu had already been hit by the exit of James Chapman, special adviser to David Davis, the Brexit secretary, who left Whitehall for the private sector. Mr Davis lost another key ally, his parliamentary private secretary Stewart Jackson, who lost his seat in the election.

Elsewhere, Lucy Neville-Rolfe, who was put in charge of overseeing Brexit’s impact on financial services in March, also abruptly departed on Tuesday.

Dominic Cummings, the mastermind of last year’s successful Leave campaign, said the departures were just the “tip of the iceberg”.

“Top Whitehall officials are screaming that DEXU [sic] under [cabinet secretary Jeremy] Heywood and DD [David Davis] is total shambles & disaster likely,” he said on Twitter. “If Leave MPs don’t assert themselves to force management changes on Number 10 and DEXU Brexit talks = guaranteed debacle.”
The feeling I've had since the referendum - that Brexit might well not happen, is gradually being reinforced particularly so in the last few days.

Lion in Winter Jun 14th 2017 10:57 am

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Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12272782)

Also from the ft
- all is not well in the department for exiting the EU.

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I suppose they could always issue blue passports while they work this out - that's the main thing anyway.

morpeth Jun 14th 2017 12:01 pm

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Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12272782)

Also from the ft
- all is not well in the department for exiting the EU.


The feeling I've had since the referendum - that Brexit might well not happen, is gradually being reinforced particularly so in the last few days.

Don't say that ! I mentioned that possibility a while back, and was told off on a BE thread that it was an incredibly ignorant position to think that was possible.

All the public statements by the EU and the UK maybe seen as negotiation through dealing with the public mood- behind closed doors discussions may be very different.

robin1234 Jun 14th 2017 12:13 pm

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Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12272782)

Also from the ft
- all is not well in the department for exiting the EU.


The feeling I've had since the referendum - that Brexit might well not happen, is gradually being reinforced particularly so in the last few days.

One snippet from that FT article -

“This is absolutely the time when Dexeu needs to get moving, both with a major raft of legislation in parliament and the start of the Brexit negotiations. The departure of both ministers basically makes what was a difficult task even more difficult.”

Oh dear, difficulty piled on difficulty! Here's an idea, why doesn't the government take on an easier task? Stay in the EU. They'd need to rejig the acronym for the ministry - Dereeu? Something like that.

Red Eric Jun 14th 2017 12:53 pm

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Can't they get a specialist team in from abroad to handle it? I hear the Germans can be very efficient.

la mancha Jun 14th 2017 1:47 pm

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Maybe too much so.

‘When something seems simple, count on a German to complicate it.’

(A light-hearted look at German efficiency.)

German Efficiency?: Street Sweeping for Neurotics - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Cape Blue Jun 14th 2017 2:40 pm

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Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 12272946)
One snippet from that FT article -

“This is absolutely the time when Dexeu needs to get moving, both with a major raft of legislation in parliament and the start of the Brexit negotiations. The departure of both ministers basically makes what was a difficult task even more difficult.”

Oh dear, difficulty piled on difficulty! Here's an idea, why doesn't the government take on an easier task? Stay in the EU. They'd need to rejig the acronym for the ministry - Dereeu? Something like that.

Probably something to do with a democratic referendum pointing the other way?

amideislas Jun 14th 2017 3:03 pm

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Oh, that old thing? Well, that was before anyone knew what it meant. But I think most people have accepted the fact that there's no going back. Well, maybe. Brexit politics are looking pretty snarky at the moment. "Taking back control" apparently means losing it.

Anyway, it appears there may be another agenda:

A ‘no deal’ Brexit is the perfect cover for the Tories to bring about their small state agenda

A ‘no deal’ allows the Conservatives to turn Britain into a low tax, low wage, corporate tax haven. They can simply say that they tried to get a trade deal, but weren’t able to, so now we have no alternative but to push through these reforms


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