Post EU Referendum
Jun 12th 2017, 5:41 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by EMR
Why have they stopped applying.
Because the may feel not welcome, but if the UK can fill the gap with qualified nurses from much poorer countries where their skills are needed then brexit will appear to have worked.
Our local " so called branch of a university has about every course you can think of for the local school leavers but anything related to Nursing.
Beautition, hairdresser, keep fit instructor etc etc.
Because the may feel not welcome, but if the UK can fill the gap with qualified nurses from much poorer countries where their skills are needed then brexit will appear to have worked.
Our local " so called branch of a university has about every course you can think of for the local school leavers but anything related to Nursing.
Beautition, hairdresser, keep fit instructor etc etc.
200,000 registered nurses are jobless - The Manila Times Online
Jun 12th 2017, 6:05 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by iano
'Cut off', figuratively speaking. So, how would you best describe a 96% drop in EU applications ?
Best we settle this 'present uncertainty' as there is a global shortage of nurses.
Best we settle this 'present uncertainty' as there is a global shortage of nurses.
Jun 12th 2017, 6:12 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
Seems to be unemployed nurses in the Philippines.
200,000 registered nurses are jobless - The Manila Times Online
200,000 registered nurses are jobless - The Manila Times Online
A country much poorer than the UK .
Jun 12th 2017, 6:21 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by EMR
Unemployed does not mean that there us no need for them in the Philippines.
A country much poorer than the UK .
A country much poorer than the UK .
Jun 12th 2017, 6:24 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by amideislas
Was only a "suggestion".
Jun 12th 2017, 6:35 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
Individuals would just like to get a job, particularly after the cost to themselves of their training. Do you grudge them that?
We need to train and motivate our own nurses and other skills areas which the UK is short of.
Jun 12th 2017, 6:48 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by EMR
So countries much poorer than the UK should let their health systems suffer just to provide a source of nurses that the UK is too mean to provide for itself or whose populace lack the motivation to become nurses.
We need to train and motivate our own nurses and other skills areas which the UK is short of.
We need to train and motivate our own nurses and other skills areas which the UK is short of.
Possibly the training colleges are taking more students than they should; however those training are getting a career for themselves abroad.
Nurses trained in the UK also go abroad after training.
They all become expats!! Just like everyone on this Forum!!
(Yes obviously the UK should train more of their own people).
Jun 12th 2017, 7:37 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
The countries are not setting out just to provide nurses, for the UK. They could employ them if they wished.
Possibly the training colleges are taking more students than they should; however those training are getting a career for themselves abroad.
Nurses trained in the UK also go abroad after training.
They all become expats!! Just like everyone on this Forum!!
(Yes obviously the UK should train more of their own people).
Possibly the training colleges are taking more students than they should; however those training are getting a career for themselves abroad.
Nurses trained in the UK also go abroad after training.
They all become expats!! Just like everyone on this Forum!!
(Yes obviously the UK should train more of their own people).
The UK does not have to provide the structure and costs of training.
The number of UK nurses who go abroad is a fraction of those from outside of the UK employed in the NHS.
It's cheaper to employ a nurse from Manila than train one in Manchester.
Jun 12th 2017, 7:43 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
Seems to be unemployed nurses in the Philippines.
200,000 registered nurses are jobless - The Manila Times Online
200,000 registered nurses are jobless - The Manila Times Online
Look at the cost to employers to sponsor a non-EU worker for 5 years. How many employers are willing to pay that AND how many unemployed Filipino nurses can afford the visa fees?
Jun 12th 2017, 9:07 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee
Is Tier 2 visa Brexit-ready?
Look at the cost to employers to sponsor a non-EU worker for 5 years. How many employers are willing to pay that AND how many unemployed Filipino nurses can afford the visa fees?
Look at the cost to employers to sponsor a non-EU worker for 5 years. How many employers are willing to pay that AND how many unemployed Filipino nurses can afford the visa fees?
Jun 12th 2017, 9:12 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
Well, thousands of nurses from the Philippines and many from Kerala are already employed by the NHS.
Money that could be used towards frontline services.
Jun 12th 2017, 9:59 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee
At massive cost to the NHS for sponsoring and work permits.
Money that could be used towards frontline services.
Money that could be used towards frontline services.
Jun 12th 2017, 10:27 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
That is offset by the fact that they are already trained.
Jun 12th 2017, 11:02 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by EMR
At some else's expense, a country much poorer than the the UK.
In Kerala nurses often take out loans for their training. Money will be sent home.
I presume you are quite happy for nurses (and doctors) to come to work in the UK from poorer EU countries??
This topic started because of a reduction in applications from EU nurses. Your comments about non-EU nurses are hypocritical.
Jun 13th 2017, 8:24 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Bipat
The country could train less nurses or employ more.
In Kerala nurses often take out loans for their training. Money will be sent home.
I presume you are quite happy for nurses (and doctors) to come to work in the UK from poorer EU countries??
This topic started because of a reduction in applications from EU nurses. Your comments about non-EU nurses are hypocritical.
In Kerala nurses often take out loans for their training. Money will be sent home.
I presume you are quite happy for nurses (and doctors) to come to work in the UK from poorer EU countries??
This topic started because of a reduction in applications from EU nurses. Your comments about non-EU nurses are hypocritical.
So nurses in Kerala fund their own training, so what, it has nothing to do with the UK need for nurses.
Last edited by EMR; Jun 13th 2017 at 8:27 am.
