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Bipat Jun 12th 2017 4:41 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12271353)
Why have they stopped applying.
Because the may feel not welcome, but if the UK can fill the gap with qualified nurses from much poorer countries where their skills are needed then brexit will appear to have worked.
Our local " so called branch of a university has about every course you can think of for the local school leavers but anything related to Nursing.
Beautition, hairdresser, keep fit instructor etc etc.

Seems to be unemployed nurses in the Philippines.

200,000 registered nurses are jobless - The Manila Times Online

amideislas Jun 12th 2017 5:05 pm

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Originally Posted by iano (Post 12271361)
'Cut off', figuratively speaking. So, how would you best describe a 96% drop in EU applications ?

Best we settle this 'present uncertainty' as there is a global shortage of nurses.

Was only a "suggestion".

EMR Jun 12th 2017 5:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12271365)
Seems to be unemployed nurses in the Philippines.

200,000 registered nurses are jobless - The Manila Times Online

Unemployed does not mean that there us no need for them in the Philippines.
A country much poorer than the UK .

Bipat Jun 12th 2017 5:21 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12271395)
Unemployed does not mean that there us no need for them in the Philippines.
A country much poorer than the UK .

Individuals would just like to get a job, particularly after the cost to themselves of their training. Do you grudge them that?

iano Jun 12th 2017 5:24 pm

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12271388)
Was only a "suggestion".

You're joking, not ANOTHER one ! Oh for god's sake, honestly, I can't stand this. :lol:

EMR Jun 12th 2017 5:35 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12271401)
Individuals would just like to get a job, particularly after the cost to themselves of their training. Do you grudge them that?

So countries much poorer than the UK should let their health systems suffer just to provide a source of nurses that the UK is too mean to provide for itself or whose populace lack the motivation to become nurses.
We need to train and motivate our own nurses and other skills areas which the UK is short of.

Bipat Jun 12th 2017 5:48 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12271408)
So countries much poorer than the UK should let their health systems suffer just to provide a source of nurses that the UK is too mean to provide for itself or whose populace lack the motivation to become nurses.
We need to train and motivate our own nurses and other skills areas which the UK is short of.

The countries are not setting out just to provide nurses, for the UK. They could employ them if they wished.
Possibly the training colleges are taking more students than they should; however those training are getting a career for themselves abroad.
Nurses trained in the UK also go abroad after training.

They all become expats!! Just like everyone on this Forum!!

(Yes obviously the UK should train more of their own people).

EMR Jun 12th 2017 6:37 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12271420)
The countries are not setting out just to provide nurses, for the UK. They could employ them if they wished.
Possibly the training colleges are taking more students than they should; however those training are getting a career for themselves abroad.
Nurses trained in the UK also go abroad after training.

They all become expats!! Just like everyone on this Forum!!

(Yes obviously the UK should train more of their own people).

I believe that it has become part of the management of the NHS to exploit the surplus or economic circumstances in some countries to provide a cheap supply of nurses.
The UK does not have to provide the structure and costs of training.
The number of UK nurses who go abroad is a fraction of those from outside of the UK employed in the NHS.
It's cheaper to employ a nurse from Manila than train one in Manchester.

DaveLovesDee Jun 12th 2017 6:43 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12271365)
Seems to be unemployed nurses in the Philippines.

200,000 registered nurses are jobless - The Manila Times Online

Is Tier 2 visa Brexit-ready?

Look at the cost to employers to sponsor a non-EU worker for 5 years. How many employers are willing to pay that AND how many unemployed Filipino nurses can afford the visa fees?

Bipat Jun 12th 2017 8:07 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12271458)
Is Tier 2 visa Brexit-ready?

Look at the cost to employers to sponsor a non-EU worker for 5 years. How many employers are willing to pay that AND how many unemployed Filipino nurses can afford the visa fees?

Well, thousands of nurses from the Philippines and many from Kerala are already employed by the NHS.

DaveLovesDee Jun 12th 2017 8:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12271519)
Well, thousands of nurses from the Philippines and many from Kerala are already employed by the NHS.

At massive cost to the NHS for sponsoring and work permits.

Money that could be used towards frontline services.

Bipat Jun 12th 2017 8:59 pm

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12271522)
At massive cost to the NHS for sponsoring and work permits.

Money that could be used towards frontline services.

That is offset by the fact that they are already trained.

EMR Jun 12th 2017 9:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12271551)
That is offset by the fact that they are already trained.

At some else's expense, a country much poorer than the the UK.

Bipat Jun 12th 2017 10:02 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12271567)
At some else's expense, a country much poorer than the the UK.

The country could train less nurses or employ more.
In Kerala nurses often take out loans for their training. Money will be sent home.

I presume you are quite happy for nurses (and doctors) to come to work in the UK from poorer EU countries??
This topic started because of a reduction in applications from EU nurses. Your comments about non-EU nurses are hypocritical.

EMR Jun 13th 2017 7:24 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12271580)
The country could train less nurses or employ more.
In Kerala nurses often take out loans for their training. Money will be sent home.

I presume you are quite happy for nurses (and doctors) to come to work in the UK from poorer EU countries??
This topic started because of a reduction in applications from EU nurses. Your comments about non-EU nurses are hypocritical.

Get off your high horse,my comments apply to anywhere that the UK has to recruit nurses from to meet its skills gap.
So nurses in Kerala fund their own training, so what, it has nothing to do with the UK need for nurses.


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