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la mancha May 10th 2017 4:24 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12249744)
So it's OK to sit at home on benefits in your world is it ?
While EU migrants are prepared to work.

For what?

lgm1963 May 10th 2017 4:50 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12249744)
So it's OK to sit at home on benefits in your world is it ?
While EU migrants are prepared to work.

How do you get to that assumption from what I wrote.

In your own time.

EMR May 10th 2017 4:50 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12249775)
For what?

The market rate.
It's capitalism as espoused by the party you will be voting for.
Are you advocating socialism a centrally controlled economy.
Did you not vote last June for what you perceive as too much external control in the UK.

lgm1963 May 10th 2017 4:51 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12249795)
The market rate.
It's capitalism as espoused by the party you will be voting for.
Are you advocating socialism a centrally controlled economy.
Did you not vote last June for what you perceive as too much external control in the UK.

Problem is, it is not the market rate if you have to import cheap labour to do the work and then expect the taxpayer to support the migrant with in work benefits so you can keep paying derisory wages.

That's not market forces....that is fraud

Golden Years May 10th 2017 4:53 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12249743)
The UK has fiddled the unemployment figures for decades, all governments, Labour or Tory.

No argument from me.
But I don't recall the Bank of England highlighting it in the way the ECB has.

EMR May 10th 2017 5:30 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by lgm1963 (Post 12249796)
Problem is, it is not the market rate if you have to import cheap labour to do the work and then expect the taxpayer to support the migrant with in work benefits so you can keep paying derisory wages.

That's not market forces....that is fraud

Blame the government and the employers.
Why didn't, government increase the min wage, outlaw employers offering zero hours contract etc
Courts filled with prosecutions of employers found paying less than the living wage,where were they..
After all governments would benefit from paying out less in benefits a possibly even ending up with a higher tax take.
Please explain how the EU and the migrant are responsible for the economic policies of UK governments including the current one.
I take it with your views you will not be voting Tory after all what you are complaining about is their policy.

Red Eric May 10th 2017 5:35 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12249795)
Are you advocating socialism a centrally controlled economy.

Interestingly enough, government intervention does appear to be acceptable (and should never be confused with socialism, even if it consists of exactly the same measure), as long as it is practised by the right party


I suppose this is the bit where I point out that Theresa May has just announced that she wants to introduce price controls on energy, price controls being a key part of Soviet economic planning. Ed Miliband suggested the same thing when he was leader of the Labour party, to which David Cameron promptly responded by accusing him of living in a Marxist universe, something the Joseph McCarthy division of the British press was only too keen to echo at the time.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-energy-bills

DaveLovesDee May 10th 2017 5:38 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by lgm1963 (Post 12249714)
There is no employer anywhere who will struggle to fill employment spaces if they pay a decent living wage.

The end.

The Government's National Living Wage?

The Living Wage Foundation's National Living Wage?

Or a pay rate than eliminates the need for Tax Credits for working families?

lgm1963 May 10th 2017 5:40 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12249811)
Blame the government and the employers.
Why didn't, government increase the min wage, outlaw employers offering zero hours contract etc
Courts fillwith prosecutions of employers found paying less than the living wage,where were they..
After all governments would benefit from paying out less in benefits a possibly even ending up with a higher tax take.
Please explain how the EU and the migrant are responsible for the economic policies of UK governments including the current one.
I take it with your views you will not be voting Tory after all what you are complaining about is their policy.

I don't do blame. I leave that to the loony left who thrive on it.

Governments have successively increased the minimum wage and the courts are not full of prosecutions because the minimum wage is by and large complied with. Those who fail so to do are prosecuted.

Zero hours contracts are legitimate and work well for a great many people. Before you jump on the anti zhc bandwagon you might actually want to read up on what a zero hour contract is....contrary to the opinion of the ignorant a zhc provides employment rights to employees that otherwise would not be legally enforceable. They are an excellent way to secure employment rights of an employee during a period where an employer or an employee may wish fewer hours or complete flexibility during a period of growth or sporadic trading. But hey....don;t let the actual facts spoil your tainted views.

It is NOT up to governments to set wages although I agree with the idea of minimum wage and living wage. It IS up to governments to protect domestic workers from the threat of cheap unskilled labour forcing down wages....and leaving the EU will start to address that.

I think that answers your questions....

DaveLovesDee May 10th 2017 5:41 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by lgm1963 (Post 12249796)
Problem is, it is not the market rate if you have to import cheap labour to do the work and then expect the taxpayer to support the migrant with in work benefits so you can keep paying derisory wages.

That's not market forces....that is fraud

What cheap labour? Those who need visas to work in the UK are required to be paid the appropriate rate for the job. Everyone else has to be paid the relevant minimum wage or higher.

Red Eric May 10th 2017 5:43 pm

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Originally Posted by lgm1963 (Post 12249819)
I don't do blame.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

EMR May 10th 2017 5:48 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by lgm1963 (Post 12249819)
I don't do blame. I leave that to the loony left who thrive on it.

Governments have successively increased the minimum wage and the courts are not full of prosecutions because the minimum wage is by and large complied with. Those who fail so to do are prosecuted.

Zero hours contracts are legitimate and work well for a great many people. Before you jump on the anti zhc bandwagon you might actually want to read up on what a zero hour contract is....contrary to the opinion of the ignorant a zhc provides employment rights to employees that otherwise would not be legally enforceable. They are an excellent way to secure employment rights of an employee during a period where an employer or an employee may wish fewer hours or complete flexibility during a period of growth or sporadic trading. But hey....don;t let the actual facts spoil your tainted views.

It is NOT up to governments to set wages although I agree with the idea of minimum wage and living wage. It IS up to governments to protect domestic workers from the threat of cheap unskilled labour forcing down wages....and leaving the EU will start to address that.

I think that answers your questions....

Leaving the EU will change nothing.
Employers will pay the min they can get away with .
The government will pay lip service to a " so called " living wage.
the last thing it wants is inflation driven up by higher prices caused by wage inflation.
You have not answered any question just spouted extreme brexit nonsense.

Will you be voting labour who want to protect and improve employees rights or Tory who do not give a ******(

la mancha May 10th 2017 7:38 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12249830)
Leaving the EU will change nothing.
Employers will pay the min they can get away with .
The government will pay lip service to a " so called " living wage.
the last thing it wants is inflation driven up by higher prices caused by wage inflation.
You have not answered any question just spouted extreme brexit nonsense.

Will you be voting labour who want to protect and improve employees rights or Tory who do not give a ******(

If you have 20 people queuing for 1 job an employer can get away with paying the minimum. If you have 20 employers queuing for 1 employee they will have to pay the employee a higher rate to attract them. Now EU workers are leaving the UK and discouraging others not to come I find the future bright.

So you advocate keeping wages low to keep down inflation? I will vote Tory to keep EU immigration down to raise wages.

And wasn’t it you who voted for Cameron and Osborne?

Annetje May 10th 2017 8:30 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12249905)
If you have 20 people queuing for 1 job an employer can get away with paying the minimum. If you have 20 employers queuing for 1 employee they will have to pay the employee a higher rate to attract them. Now EU workers are leaving the UK and discouraging others not to come I find the future bright.

So you advocate keeping wages low to keep down inflation? I will vote Tory to keep EU immigration down to raise wages.

And wasn’t it you who voted for Cameron and Osborne?

Doesn't that finally mean that 19 employers just have to shut down a part of the production because there is nobody to do the job ? Bad bad planning I would say !

iano May 10th 2017 8:31 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12249905)
If you have 20 employers queuing for 1 employee they will have to pay the employee a higher rate to attract them. Now EU workers are leaving the UK and discouraging others not to come I find the future bright.

...19 companies less productive through being understaffed, and you find the future bright ?

:confused:


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