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iano May 9th 2017 4:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12248635)
You don't seriously expect, after all this time, that they're going to suddenly see that there's more to the sums than "Do we get the same, less or more back in grants than we pay in to belong", do you?

Can only live in hope, Eric, that some are brave enough to take off their union flag blinkers to consider the value of the EU, as well as the cost.

Golden Years May 9th 2017 4:33 pm

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12248822)
I presume you also mean because Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland won't get a say in any negotiations. So any valid concerns they have will be ignored.

So much for democracy in the UK. The EU is more democratic than the UK, it appears (and my signature link shows).

No idea why you would presume any such thing but it would be interesting to hear what valid concern Wales, for example, would have in the UK's negotiations with countries we currently trade with under WTO terms.

EMR May 9th 2017 4:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12248821)
UK trades under EU rules as you know.

If the EU trades under WTO rules then so will we.
If the EU has better deals then we will lose them as a non EU member and revert to WTO rules until such time as we can agree our own terms, which could take years.
While we are doing this our EU competitors are trading on better terms than the WTO limited UK.

DaveLovesDee May 9th 2017 5:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Golden Years (Post 12248834)
No idea why you would presume any such thing but it would be interesting to hear what valid concern Wales, for example, would have in the UK's negotiations with countries we currently trade with under WTO terms.

Walloon's delay in passing the CETA deal was concerns over their farmers. Wales also had concerns, but these were ignored by the UK government. Though some of the changes agreed to benefit Walloon farmers also helped ours.

Dick Dasterdly May 9th 2017 6:30 pm

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Brexit news - No deal scenario would spell EU recession and end of euro economist says | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

Digging their own grave:
No Brexit deal will unleash new EU recession that kills off euro

BRITAIN has the upper hand in the Brexit negotiations because failure to reach a deal would unleash a devastating recession in Europe which would kill off the euro, a leading economist warned today.

EMR May 9th 2017 6:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12248928)
Brexit news - No deal scenario would spell EU recession and end of euro economist says | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

Digging their own grave:
No Brexit deal will unleash new EU recession that kills off euro

BRITAIN has the upper hand in the Brexit negotiations because failure to reach a deal would unleash a devastating recession in Europe which would kill off the euro, a leading economist warned today.

Nice to see that after a day of serious discussion it's now comedy hour.
You can always be relied on Dick to give us all a good laugh.
By the way , you do realise that no one reads your links.

Dick Dasterdly May 9th 2017 6:55 pm

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Peter Hill: There is no point negotiating with the EU | Peter Hill | Columnists | Comment | Express.co.uk


Peter Hill: There is no point negotiating with the EU

OUR EU masters are becoming hysterical as it dawns on them that Britain really is going to resign from their club for they have always believed that, like the Mafia, there is no way out.

They produce a ridiculous "divorce" bill of anything between £50billion and £100billion, meaningless sums made up from out of the air.

The increasingly ludicrous European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker claims that the English language is becoming less important, ignoring the 500 billion people who speak English as their main language plus the untold billions who learn it as their second and the fact that English is the international language of commerce, education and transport.

I've believed from the start of Brexit that there is no point negotiating with the EU and the latest demands from Brussels make me more convinced that we should not play their brinkmanship game.

The threats will get worse but they can't make us pay. Attempts to denigrate Britain in the eyes of the world will increase but the reality is that our economy is growing stronger.

Prime Minister Theresa May has to stay tough. I'm starting to believe she has the will. Now she needs the whole country behind her.

DaveLovesDee May 9th 2017 6:58 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12248928)
Brexit news - No deal scenario would spell EU recession and end of euro economist says | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

Digging their own grave:
No Brexit deal will unleash new EU recession that kills off euro

BRITAIN has the upper hand in the Brexit negotiations because failure to reach a deal would unleash a devastating recession in Europe which would kill off the euro, a leading economist warned today.

Patrick Minford has form for wild speculation.



Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12113399)
Also - tariffs are often portrayed as being only financial - The Pub Landlord Tim Martin often does this as does The Mad Economist Patrick Minford. They do it to demonstrate that they aren't particularly important and can be overcome. In fact non-tariff barriers are far more significant.


Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12236049)
The only economic study showing positive Brexit consequences debunked as 'doubly misleading'

The sole economic modelling exercise showing material benefits for the UK from Brexit has been debunked as “doubly misleading”, further demolishing the argument that for Britain “no deal would be better than a bad deal” when it comes to the EU.

Work by the “Economists for Brexit” group, led by Professor Patrick Minford of Cardiff Business School, before last year’s referendum suggested that if the UK left the EU without a trade deal and unilaterally dropped all tariff barriers on imports the country’s GDP could be boosted by 4 per cent relative to otherwise.

The finding, which contradicted all other studies which showed that Britain would be worse off due to leaving the EU, has been widely cited by hardline Brexiteers and even some business figures as evidence that the UK economy has little to lose if Britain fails to conclude a trade deal with the rest of the EU.


Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12064457)
Ah! Patrick Minford. We've had him before - my favourite Brexiteer.

He tells it like it is.:rofl:

He's a nutter.


And I thought Leave didn't like 'experts', or is it they only like the ones whose claims support Leave's claims?

iano May 9th 2017 7:04 pm

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12248953)
Patrick Minford has form for wild speculation.

Dave, perleasse, clicking on the regular Dickbait means money for the Express! :lol:

Minford foams at the mouth, a rabid Thatcherite, marbles went some time ago.

amideislas May 10th 2017 6:46 am

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It's always been ideological. There is no demonstrable upside for anyone, so to rationalise it, it's necessary to fabricate justification for it. It's been that way since day 1. Nobody should be surprised.

But I'd stop short of "conspiracy". That gives them too much credit. The more obvious explanation is that in their ideological euphoria, none of them bothered to understand what Brexit really meant (and dismissed those who warned them). In their ignorance, they believed Brexit would be a doddle and would lead to a "flourishing" Britain, wholly dismissing the reality that Britain was already enjoying more prosperity than most, and about as good as it gets in the current global climate. Economics turned out to be a losing argument, so another, more emotional threat became the centerpiece.

Until of course, they were forced to learn what brexit really meant. And even if they now know it was ignorantly conceived, it's politically imperative to continue. The objective now is simply to minimise the damage and spin it in the most positive light. And that also requires some creative fabrication. Low and behold, that's precisely been how it's been managed as a matter of historical record.

Unfortunately, it's equally naïve to assume everyone is so stupid that they won't notice, so there will need to be demonisation of those who do notice. Sound familiar?

amideislas May 10th 2017 7:20 am

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Anyway, here's some new data to be ignored;

Media painted bleak picture of immigration before Brexit vote, study finds

The majority of this negative coverage was from three online publications: the Mail, the Sun and the Express. Some of them led to complaints, including the “Let us in: we’re from Europe” Mail front page that needed a correction after it was revealed that the refugees depicted were from the Middle East.

Assanah May 10th 2017 9:03 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12248813)
Exactly ,little or no advantage after Brexit apart from risking our biggest market, the EU.

YES! Yes! And yes again!

Do you think that the message will finally be settling in? The UK can already trade with the world N O W. There is no constraint by the EU on British exporters to sell their stuff to the US in whatever amount and way they want. Brexit doesn't mean more freedom, it means the opposite: less access to Britains biggest market, more red tape for British exporters, more costs, more hassle...and this all for the chance of maybe (sic!) getting a maybe (sic!!) good free trade deal with India :eek:

jimenato May 10th 2017 10:40 am

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Huh? Someone quoted Minford? Who did that?

... oh! Right...:rolleyes:

lgm1963 May 10th 2017 11:01 am

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Originally Posted by iano (Post 12248534)
What a short-sighted and simplistic view.

Currently, there are more than 4,700 UK companies operating in Romania with opportunities to support ongoing infrastructure modernisation. A market of 20 million consumers and a growing economy where the UK is able to freely compete for business. For now.

So why exactly should trade rely on a £ten billion bribe paid for by the uk taxpayer?

Because that is exactly what our EU contributions amount to if the only reason you can give for paying it is greasing the wheels of private enterprise.

EMR May 10th 2017 11:26 am

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Originally Posted by lgm1963 (Post 12249480)
So why exactly should trade rely on a £ten billion bribe paid for by the uk taxpayer?

Because that is exactly what our EU contributions amount to if the only reason you can give for paying it is greasing the wheels of private enterprise.

Tell us how our economy would work without private enterprise ?


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