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la mancha May 8th 2017 12:30 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12247278)
Good job none of that will happen then.

Anyway, I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but this one does illustrate some alarming consistencies with behaviours around the world as of late (and historically as well):

The great British Brexit robbery: how our democracy was hijacked

A shadowy global operation involving big data, billionaire friends of Trump and the disparate forces of the Leave campaign influenced the result of the EU referendum. As Britain heads to the polls again, is our electoral process still fit for purpose?

As for your dismissal of the facts in my post, I told you I took these facts from Der Spiegel. Blame them for fake news, not me.

If you think none of that will happen, you know, the significant belt-tightening that Schäuble's ministry believes is possible that the EU would undertake once Britain stopped paying into the EU budget, can you post a link to substantiate your claims.

la mancha May 8th 2017 12:33 pm

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Originally Posted by Assanah (Post 12247305)
BTW, just to give a few numbers: Spain export of fresh fruit and vegetables to the UK sank by 8 % in January and Febraury of this year while the export to Asia rose by whopping 45 %. Which country cannot trade with the world while being in the EU? I repeat it: The EU never prevented the UK from trading with the world. The EU never prevented the UK from buying fresh produce in Africa. In fact thanks to many free trade agreements with Africa the EU gave the UK farmers the oppurtunity to sell their products in Africa and UK customers to buy produce from Africa.

Let me get this right. We took 8% less agro products from Spain in January and February. And no one here starved.

amideislas May 8th 2017 12:36 pm

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Well, if England chooses to ban EU imports to Britain for schadenfreude, then that would be England's decision. A foolish one, but what the hell, already on a roll.

EMR May 8th 2017 12:42 pm

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Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12247619)
Let me get this right. We took 8% less agro products from Spain in January and February. And no one here starved.

We got them from places like Zimbabwe at a premium price.
No wonder food prices are increasing.

Red Eric May 8th 2017 12:50 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12247526)
The trend continues, fortunately an ever increasing number of people are becoming aware of what the EU is really about.

:cool:


.... and using their vote to decide against doing anything rash, like leaving.


:cool:

Golden Years May 8th 2017 12:58 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12247529)
With the UK led by Churchill a believer in European unity with the UK taking a leading role.
I wonder what he would think of today's Tories.
He would certainly be rejoicing at the election of Macron .

I, respectfully, disagree.
Churchill was a firm advocate of a pan-European union of states, but with Britain on the outside as an independent, free-market partner.

He wrote;

“We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked, but not combined. We are associated, but not absorbed. And should European statesmen address us and say, “Shall we speak for thee?” we should reply, “Nay, Sir, for we dwell amongst our own people”.”

Bipat May 8th 2017 12:58 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12247529)
With the UK led by Churchill a believer in European unity with the UK taking a leading role.
I wonder what he would think of today's Tories.
He would certainly be rejoicing at the election of Macron .

The EU is not "Europe" ---44 countries make up Europe.
UK in a 'leading'? role, yes he probably would have approved of that!
Would he have signed the Lisbon Treaty?

It is 2017 EMR, time to move forward for the UK.
The average British citizen now has far more knowledge of the non-white, non-Protestant people of the world than Churchill ever had.

EMR May 8th 2017 1:01 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12247655)
The EU is not "Europe" ---44 countries make up Europe.
UK in a 'leading'? role, yes he probably would have approved of that!
Would he have signed the Lisbon Treaty?

It is 2017 EMR, time to move forward for the UK.
The average British citizen now has far more knowledge of the non-white Protestant people of the world than Churchill ever had.

Carefully what you post,
The increased knowledge and contact with non white people is one reason for the Brexit vote and Ukip.

lutonlad May 8th 2017 1:17 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12247529)
With the UK led by Churchill a believer in European unity with the UK taking a leading role.
I wonder what he would think of today's Tories.
He would certainly be rejoicing at the election of Macron .

An irrelevant comment.
Neither you or anyone else has got a clue what Churchill would think of today's EU, Tories, or Macron. The world is a very different place post Churchillian times.

Red Eric May 8th 2017 1:18 pm

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Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas (Post 12247394)
Only you could count the 35% who didn't vote at all as being against Le Pen and then go on to label everyone who didn't vote for her, as being pro-EU.

Anyhow I have never been in favour of Le Pen winning, although not because of her EU views, so maybe we can move on from discussing your mathematical errors and ask whether Macron is at all likely to get a friendly reception for his EU reform plans.


Perhaps you should try looking at it from a slightly different angle, leaving out your blind spot with numbers.

A failure to vote or a spoiled ballot says you have no preference for any of the possible outcomes. In effect, you're endorsing the winner, without knowing who it will be. However, the effect is clearly worst-felt by the loser(s), since frequently, if you lump together the no-votes with the losing votes they form the majority. In this way, a no-vote usually becomes a vote against * the losing side(s), rather than a vote for the winner. Surely you can agree with that, since you pretty much said it yourself a couple of weeks ago?

* except in certain instances, like the Hungarian referendum on accepting or rejecting a quota of refugees arrived in the EU, where abstention had the effect of winning against the government's request.

Lion in Winter May 8th 2017 1:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12247526)

The trend continues, fortunately an ever increasing number of people are becoming aware of what the EU is really about.

:cool:



Because sometimes, Winston, two and two make five.

Red Eric May 8th 2017 1:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12247655)
The EU is not "Europe"

https://img.clipartfest.com/b98f49e4...rt_412-360.png

EMR May 8th 2017 1:26 pm

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Originally Posted by lutonlad (Post 12247667)
An irrelevant comment.
Neither you or anyone else has got a clue what Churchill would think of today's EU, Tories, or Macron. The world is a very different place post Churchillian times.

He certainly would not have supported the Vichy revisionist National Front.

Assanah May 8th 2017 1:31 pm

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Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12247619)
Let me get this right. We took 8% less agro products from Spain in January and February. And no one here starved.

Yes, correct and the economy of Spain didn't crash but is actually gowing nicely - substituting the British customers with the world. And this despite being a member of the EU.

Bipat May 8th 2017 1:39 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12247659)
Carefully what you post,
The increased knowledge and contact with non white people is one reason for the Brexit vote and Ukip.

For a very few people EMR. Those that used to vote for the National Front party (does it still exist?).
Your view is grossly insulting to the majority of Brexit voters, many of whom were 'non-white'. One reason for the vote was to trade more freely with non-EU countries.


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