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Lion in Winter Apr 28th 2017 2:57 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12240503)
That veil's getting thinner, isn't it?

It wasn't very good to start off with.

Probably made by foreigners.

DaveLovesDee Apr 28th 2017 2:58 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12240493)
That crock of shite, the Eu made up their own rules.

Approved by the Council of Ministers and the EU Parliament.


Nothing we'd like better than to be rid of their pointless mindless bureaucracy for ever and a day.
All we have to do is leave the EU (of which all we've actually done is officially tell them we're leaving) and stop trading with the EU completely (anything made in the EU will have been made to EU regulations, and anything we sell to the EU will have to meet those regulations as well, all made by those 'bureaucrats').

But don't worry, we'll get other deals with other countries to make up for that! :p

SultanOfSwing Apr 28th 2017 2:58 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12240506)
It wasn't very good to start off with.

Probably made by foreigners.

Typical.

Dick Dasterdly Apr 28th 2017 2:59 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12240501)
So you're not saying he's wrong, then?



Oh, bollocks. He is a slimy turd spouting bullshit like a big dirty fountain but when one sane person decides to call him out on it he's a monkey in a cage.

There's only one group of monkeys throwing poo and they just recently won a referendum they think was an election, but I'll leave it there for now.


As the current P M is full behind it and up for the next election which she is expected to win, I'll leave it there for now.

:cool:

SultanOfSwing Apr 28th 2017 3:01 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12240512)
As the current P M is full behind it and up for the next election which she is expected to win, I'll leave it there for now.

:cool:

Yeah, because I'm going to trust the judgement of a ****ing unelected Tory PM :blink:

amideislas Apr 28th 2017 3:02 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12240502)
You're not laughing now are you.

Still waiting for you to tell me who is going to pay the bills when the Uk has left ?

Don't be shy now, I'm sure you can afford it as you are always trying to impress.

Mind with over half a million free riders you can't get shot of, to house and feed,
I imagine it could get a little bit tight.

:cool:

You make me laugh every day, Dick! And as you become increasingly delusional, it gets better and better with each passing day. You're a farkin' riot!

Dick Dasterdly Apr 28th 2017 3:04 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12240508)
Approved by the Council of Ministers and the EU Parliament.



All we have to do is leave the EU (of which all we've actually done is officially tell them we're leaving) and stop trading with the EU completely (anything made in the EU will have been made to EU regulations, and anything we sell to the EU will have to meet those regulations as well, all made by those 'bureaucrats').

But don't worry, we'll get other deals with other countries to make up for that! :p

Oh, far from worrying, I'm as happy as the proverbial.

Never mind, today is an official moan day, so get it off your chest, I'm sure you'll feel much better,
....until you wake up tomorrow, which of course is yet another official moan day.

:rofl:

SultanOfSwing Apr 28th 2017 3:05 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12240518)
Oh, far from worrying, I'm as happy as the proverbial.

I mean, if I took as many drugs as you did I'd probably be happy as **** every day as well.

To wit:


Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12240518)
Never mind, today is an official moan day, so get it off your chest, I'm sure you'll feel much better,
....until you wake up tomorrow, which of course is yet another official moan day.

:rofl:

I mean, just how much meth can one man smoke?

Red Eric Apr 28th 2017 3:07 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12240307)
JUNCKER BACKLASH: 83,000 back economist’s calls for EU resignation | City & Business | Finance | Express.co.uk

"EUROPEAN Commission president Jean Claude Junker is facing a massive backlash in France over his involvement in the Lux Leaks scandal raging in his native state.

Mr Juncker flew to London yesterday to have dinner at 10 Downing Street with British Prime Minister Theresa May but left stony-faced.

He has repeatedly threatened the citizens of the United Kingdom and made outrageous Brexit demands since the country voted to leave the EU in June last year.

Mr Juncker currently earns more than €300,00-a-year for his position as president of the commission as well as a bonus of 15 per cent plus a massive pension.

But he has repeatedly failed to step in to help as countries like Greece, Italy and Spain which are crumbling over the debt burdens placed on them after they joined the euro.

Pensioners have been out campaigning on the streets in their tens of thousands as they face cuts while Mr Juncker jets around member states failing to provide any solutions."

I'll just put the Express and you on pause there for a moment Dick, if you don't mind because although I'm no fan of Juncker and his politics myself, he stands out as one of the very few spokespersons in any of the institutions who has stated his support for a more relaxed approach to the debt crisis, with countries being given more control over deciding how they can reach their targets. He has been publicly rebuffed by eg Dombrovskis and that arrogant arse, Dijsselbloem (who is now thankfully well and truly on his way to being deposed from his little throne) over his pronouncements on the matter.



Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12240307)
The Eu already knew fine well that he was as bent as a three quid note when they chose him.

Which begs the question, Is that why they chose him ?

No - I think the reason he was chosen is that he was the least disliked of the alternative possible candidates, so there was a concensus. The desire to see Cameron made an ass of with his "over my dead body" moment no doubt firmed their resolve no end.

EMR Apr 28th 2017 3:07 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12240518)
Oh, far from worrying, I'm as happy as the proverbial.

Never mind, today is an official moan day, so get it off your chest, I'm sure you'll feel much better,
....until you wake up tomorrow, which of course is yet another official moan day.

:rofl:

Have a day off then from moaning, tell your twin brother to do the same .
Your might even feel better for it.

Dick Dasterdly Apr 28th 2017 3:15 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12240522)
I'll just put the Express and you on pause there for a moment Dick, if you don't mind because although I'm no fan of Juncker and his politics myself, he stands out as one of the very few spokespersons in any of the institutions who has stated his support for a more relaxed approach to the debt crisis, with countries being given more control over deciding how they can reach their targets. He has been publicly rebuffed by eg Dombrovskis and that arrogant arse, Dijsselbloem (who is now thankfully well and truly on his way to being deposed from his little throne) over his pronouncements on the matter.




No - I think the reason he was chosen is that he was the least disliked of the alternative possible candidates, so there was a concensus. The desire to see Cameron made an ass of with his "over my dead body" moment no doubt firmed their resolve no end.

Jeez, that pretty well says it all regarding the rest of them.

:nod:

Bipat Apr 28th 2017 3:42 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12240514)
Yeah, because I'm going to trust the judgement of a ****ing unelected Tory PM :blink:

"unelected"? How did she get to be an MP then?

Do you think we should have an election to choose each Cabinet Minister?

That a party should not choose their own leader? That the general public know more about the competence of individual MPs than the people they work with every day?

How would you do it? An election with all MPs on the list and voter put a cross by who they want as leader?:lol:

If a PM resigns or dies we have an immediate General Election? (The second would raise some interesting possibilities!:lol:)

SultanOfSwing Apr 28th 2017 3:50 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12240554)
"unelected"? How did she get to be an MP then?

Do you think we should have an election to choose each Cabinet Minister?

That a party should not choose their own leader? That the general public know more about the competence of individual MPs than the people they work with every day?

How would you do it? An election with all MPs on the list and voter put a cross by who they want as leader?:lol:

If a PM resigns or dies we have an immediate General Election? (The second would raise some interesting possibilities!:lol:)

She was elected leader by the party, not the people. If she wins the general (God help us all) next time then fair enough, but she was elected as an MP by the people, not PM.

The system is fine as it is, but let's not pretend she was actually elected PM until she wins an election. It's a technicality, maybe, but that is the way it is.

Bipat Apr 28th 2017 4:02 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12240476)
1) A legally-held, non-binding referendum, which has been turned into something held as sacred as the deities of any religion, it seems.

2) As long as we trade with the EU, the ECJ will have overall jurisdiction over any UK-EU trade disputes. Even US companies such as Microsoft have found that out to their cost, even though the US has no FTA and isn't an EU member.
3)
But isn't making free trade deals after leaving, with the same countries we already have FTAs with as an EU member, a little like re-inventing the wheel? And will the products of those countries we don't already have FTAs with (but want to) meet the UK's standards (either the current EU CE mark or whatever the UK replaces it with)?
4) And what does the UK have to offer the majority of countries out there (other than certain car brands or specialist equipment) that they can't get from the remaining EU members (or other, more local countries at lower cost due to lower wages and costs of business).

5) But we still won't, will we. British nationals will still be penalised for falling in love with a non-Brit partner/spouse, instead of just non-EU partners/spouses. So in effect, Brexit makes it worse for those Brits.

Unless the government scrap the income requirement on Brits and treat their partners/spouses the same as any other migrant.



It's easy to see whether Brexit will succeed or fail short-term based on a number of factors. Even Leave campaigners and voters expect the UK to sink through the first 5-10 years before improving. How long after that 5-10 years the UK begins to reach the point it was a year ago won't be known for a long time.

We seem to have been through this all before!
1) What was the point of the referendum if we don't follow the result. Would a Remain vote have been 'binding'.

2)In trade disputes with the EU both sides will have legal rights in a particular dispute. EU law will not be supreme.

3)There will be Free trade deals with other countries, that do not have free trade deals with the EU.

4)Ask them--some seem already keen to get post Brexit deals with the UK, (having failed with the EU)--see the other thread for the major economy one.

5) That discrepancy can be changed. It is not the same as restricting migration free movement to just one group of people.

Red Eric Apr 28th 2017 4:39 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12240531)
Jeez, that pretty well says it all regarding the rest of them.

:nod:

You have to be a bit more realistic.

The choice of leader, even for a single political party in one country, is never going to be universally welcomed.

The President of the Commission is appointed across national and political divides, as well as personal enmities or affections. It's really no big deal that not everybody will see eye to eye with him and may well come down to the least worst choice on a shortlist as far as some of those who elect him are concerned. But he has the support of the majority taking those factors into consideration.

And in Juncker's case, many (including me) see him as a significant improvement on who went immediately before.


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