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EMR Apr 24th 2017 1:29 pm

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Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12237096)
That headline was from 1938, was it not? These European Jewish people were fleeing a Germany that wanted to exterminate them. The ultra-racist German politicians and even more anti-Semitic German people were rounding up Jewish people and sending them to camps before the war started. There they were to be liquidated. So what did these people do? They fled. This bears no resemblance to modern day refugees most of whom are not refugees at all. This is a sick comparison. If you knew of this time in history when Germany and its people murdered millions of innocent people then you would not post such just to feel smugly better.

Please explain how those who fled Allepo, Mosul, Bagdad, Kabul , add infinitum are not refugees.
Maybe like the Jews of Germany, Austria and Eastern Europe they should stay and suffer or worse rather than incovenience us.

InVinoVeritas Apr 24th 2017 1:45 pm

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I do love a good intellectual argument :rofl:

amideislas Apr 24th 2017 2:55 pm

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Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12237096)
That headline was from 1938, was it not? These European Jewish people were fleeing a Germany that wanted to exterminate them. The ultra-racist German politicians and even more anti-Semitic German people were rounding up Jewish people and sending them to camps before the war started. There they were to be liquidated. So what did these people do? They fled. This bears no resemblance to modern day refugees most of whom are not refugees at all. This is a sick comparison. If you knew of this time in history when Germany and its people murdered millions of innocent people then you would not post such just to feel smugly better.

'er all forners, ain't they? They've always been the cause of British paranoia. Not much different now.

But OK, it seems the current Brexit mantra has more or less shifted away from pesky foreigners as the elephant in the room, and turned to the economy (you know, extorting the vindictive, dodgy EU into the "best deal for Britain", which apparently isn't anywhere near the slam dunk it was presumed to be ...as written on the tin).

Ironically, the very thing that was largely dismissed as "fearmongering" when selling Brexit with pesky foreigner arguments that had little to do with the EU. Economics are most definitely a Brexit consequence, though. And the economy will be THE elephant in the room in the 2020 elections.

Oh, wait, that problem solved! No elections! No worries (except for Empire 2. That will also need to be "modified". But we "won", so no worries).

Dick Dasterdly Apr 24th 2017 5:59 pm

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German politicians panic as BREXIT WITHOUT A DEAL would cost them BILLIONS - Your Brexit

A panel of experts in Germany has warned senior politicians that Britain leaving the European Union without a proper deal in place could end up costing the country BILLIONS OF POUNDS, with the same situation playing out in every other remaining EU nation.

From a German point of view, the Bundestag’s Economic Committee was told that the country would be hit the hardest because it is the biggest net contributor to the EU.

Future pension commitments alone are currently running at more than 50 billion Euros!

This might explain why so many Germans from Merkel downwards scrambled during the referendum campaign to try and convince Britain to vote Remain.

Germany would be liable for at least an extra five billion Euros, and that’s just the start.....

Assanah Apr 24th 2017 6:00 pm

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In your dreams 😂😂😂😂😂

Dick Dasterdly Apr 24th 2017 6:02 pm

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...continued....

"Dr Peter Becker, 58, at Germany’s Institute for International Policy and Security, told the committee: “The EU would then have no legal means to demand outstanding payments from London.”

This is one of the reasons why Britain’s negotiators should feel empowered to simply ‘walk away’ from discussions if the final deal terms are looking to be overly punitive and destructive.

Put simply, a British walkout and subsequent withdrawal could lead to utter financial chaos, all prompted by a bunch of senior Eurocrats who are desperate to act like bullies and put other countries off of the idea of leaving the EU.

Therefore, when Brexiteers say ‘what have we got to lose?’, they are not just trying to come across as arrogant.

They recognise that standing up to Verhofstadt, Barnier, Merkel and the rest of them could be a very smart move."

morpeth Apr 24th 2017 6:31 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12237102)
Please explain how those who fled Allepo, Mosul, Bagdad, Kabul , add infinitum are not refugees.
Maybe like the Jews of Germany, Austria and Eastern Europe they should stay and suffer or worse rather than incovenience us.

And what should the Jews in Germany and elsewhere do now- move out to avoid radical Islam, or offending all the recent refugees or migrants that she decided to let in ?

Lion in Winter Apr 24th 2017 6:38 pm

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Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12237308)
And what should the Jews in Germany and elsewhere do now- move out to avoid radical Islam, or offending all the recent refugees or migrants that she decided to let in ?

This comment doesn't make any sense at all.

You are setting up utterly hypothetical problems in multiple ways.

DaveLovesDee Apr 24th 2017 6:53 pm

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The Sun registered as an official Leave campaign group and spent £96,000 on Brexit campaigning

In a week!


The Sun newspaper spent more than £90,000 campaigning as a Leave group during the EU referendum, electoral spending documents have suggested. Referendum funding information figures published by the Electoral Commission show the tabloid’s newspaper group registered as an official Leave campaigning group on 15 June – just one week before polling day on 23 June.

The group subsequently spent £96,898 on campaigning for Leave as News Group Newspapers Ltd, the parent group which owns Rupert Murdoch-controlled newspapers including The Times and The Sun.

morpeth Apr 24th 2017 7:06 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12237316)
This comment doesn't make any sense at all.

You are setting up utterly hypothetical problems in multiple ways.

There have been news reports of situations the Jews are faced with in Sweden and Germany from the Muslim refugees/migrants or home grown radicalized Muslim youth. Why would this be a "hypothetical" problem ? Maybe the reports come from tabloids and sensationalist press, and maybe not as much of a problem as portrayed. But doesn't seem a giant intellectual leap that bringing in more people from areas where radical Islam has a presence combined with home-grown radical Islamists, might not bode well for the Jewish population in the future.

Dick Dasterdly Apr 24th 2017 7:11 pm

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Yet another Remoaner has seen the light. :thumbup:


Brexit: Remainer Chris Philip brands EU a 'PROTECTIONIST RACKET' | UK | News | Express.co.uk

Remoaner HUMBLED: MP now 'optimistic' over Brexit and brands bloc a 'PROTECTIONIST RACKET'

A REMAIN-voting MP has performed a stunning u-turn by admitting that Brexit could offer Britain a whole host of new free trade opportunities.

Mr Philp said: “Although I voted for ‘remain’ in the referendum last June, I am optimistic about our countries prospects as we leave the European Union.

“I’m optimistic personally because the European Union needs us for trade more than we need them.”

EMR Apr 24th 2017 7:16 pm

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Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12237332)
There have been news reports of situations the Jews are faced with in Sweden and Germany from the Muslim refugees/migrants or home grown radicalized Muslim youth. Why would this be a "hypothetical" problem ? Maybe the reports come from tabloids and sensationalist press, and maybe not as much of a problem as portrayed. But doesn't seem a giant intellectual leap that bringing in more people from areas where radical Islam has a presence combined with home-grown radical Islamists, might not bode well for the Jewish population in the future.

What about the 100,s thousands of Palestinians thrown off their lands and homes , imprisoned,or worse in the occupied West Bank.
Massacred in refugee camps in Lebanon during the Israel incursions.
Israel building more illegal settlements on stolen land.
For every argument there is an opposite and equal one..
Nothing hypothetical .
It does not seem a giant intellectual leap to associate the support for Israel with the growth of Islamic extremism.

Lion in Winter Apr 24th 2017 7:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12237340)
Yet another Remoaner has seen the light. :thumbup:


Brexit: Remainer Chris Philip brands EU a 'PROTECTIONIST RACKET' | UK | News | Express.co.uk

Remoaner HUMBLED: MP now 'optimistic' over Brexit and brands bloc a 'PROTECTIONIST RACKET'

A REMAIN-voting MP has performed a stunning u-turn by admitting that Brexit could offer Britain a whole host of new free trade opportunities.

Mr Philp said: “Although I voted for ‘remain’ in the referendum last June, I am optimistic about our countries prospects as we leave the European Union.

“I’m optimistic personally because the European Union needs us for trade more than we need them.”


How many countries does he have?

Lion in Winter Apr 24th 2017 7:22 pm

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Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12237332)
There have been news reports of situations the Jews are faced with in Sweden and Germany from the Muslim refugees/migrants or home grown radicalized Muslim youth. Why would this be a "hypothetical" problem ? Maybe the reports come from tabloids and sensationalist press, and maybe not as much of a problem as portrayed. But doesn't seem a giant intellectual leap that bringing in more people from areas where radical Islam has a presence combined with home-grown radical Islamists, might not bode well for the Jewish population in the future.

Centuries of anti-semitism have **** all do to with the EU, or, indeed, immigrants. Nor will it be fixed with Islamophobia.

This constant effort to drum up any possible "argument" against immigrants/migrants/refugees/Muslims/foreigners crossing borders is absurd, distasteful, and reprehensible in the current climate.

DaveLovesDee Apr 24th 2017 7:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12237340)
Mr Philp said: “Although I voted for ‘remain’ in the referendum last June, I am optimistic about our countries prospects as we leave the European Union.”

Either the Express needs a better proofreader, or someone else does.

The word is country's....


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