Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12217351)

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

1) the poster above was suggesting "putting Britain first" was a sin! I was replying to him.

2) Yes, referendum, what ever the reasons for calling it, giving people a vote surely cannot be wrong? Cameron campaigned vigorously to 'remain'.
There was an official 'leave campaign', as I said above do you know who they were.

3) Yes, Nigel Farage hijacked the campaign, but it was nothing new, his entire ambition was for Brexit, and had been for years.

So are you suggesting that 'brown' people who voted for Brexit are possibly both racist and Xenophobic? Thanks on behalf of my family, as you said 'insults can be a compliment'!

(Just seen your above post, thanks again!)

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12217511)

Read my post. What I said was that being "brown" does not preclude one from being racist or xenophobic. That does not mean or imply that all "brown" people are racist or xenophobic. These are two entirely distinct statements, one of which I said and the other I clearly did not. This skin colour fetish is absurd. And race is a social construct not a scientific category.

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12217513)

This is elementary, right, the only thing that qualifies someone as being racist, is racism. Am I missing something?

Is it not horrendously racist to start gatekeeping the qualities a person can have based solely on the fact that they are not white?

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12217513)

This is elementary, right, the only thing that qualifies someone as being racist, is racism. Am I missing something?

Is it not horrendously racist to start gatekeeping the qualities a person can have based solely on the fact that they are not white?

Originally Posted by mrken30 (Post 12217538)

One issue I have from all this, will I ever be able to vote Tory again. They caused Brexit, they made a pig's feast of Brexit, and hold none of the Conservative values from Brexit.

Originally Posted by mrken30 (Post 12217538)

One issue I have from all this, will I ever be able to vote Tory again. They caused Brexit, they made a pig's feast of Brexit, and hold none of the Conservative values from Brexit.

Originally Posted by mrken30 (Post 12217538)

One issue I have from all this, will I ever be able to vote Tory again. They caused Brexit, they made a pig's feast of Brexit, and hold none of the Conservative values from Brexit.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12217529)

Well it certainly seems simple to me :blink:

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12217529)

What's more, these "ordinary people" that everyone seems to feel they speak for contain multitudes. Everyone is not the same (stunning, I know) and they do not feel or think the same just because of their "ordinariness". The "ordinary people" I spoke to (not for) in the UK last week wished they weren't leaving the EU and think Ukip as a party is vile, absurd or both. Are these people not to be included in the brave new world?

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12217536)

Forgot to mention. My son is white in winter and brown in summer, anglo-mexican that he is. Where does that leave him? Maybe we need some sort of seasonal approach to this whole issue?

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12217547)

My son's the worst Mexican ever. He doesn't even look like one. Get this, he looks like a Turk. Yes, he has 79 million mates (he even created 4 million right there in our garage specially for the occasion) and they are all once had a plan to overrun the UK.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12217550)

Well we've certainly foiled them now. "We" (Dick? not sure :confused:) will be picking "the ones we want" in future.

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12217575)

Or, as normal people will describe it, the immigration system will work as it always has. Guess what - people from EU member states will apply for, and successfully receive, visas.

I bet nothing changes at all with respect to migration from the EU.

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12217539)

Don't worry, the media will have white-washed the Tory part in this charade when it's time to start campaigning for the next election.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12217583)

That would also be my guess. I don't think any business wants it to, so it will not. It will be a distinction without a difference.

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12217575)

Or, as normal people will describe it, the immigration system will work as it always has. Guess what - people from EU member states will apply for, and successfully receive, visas.

I bet nothing changes at all with respect to migration from the EU.