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amideislas Aug 9th 2016 9:04 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12022841)
So what are you waiting for? You've had the referendum, the result was clear, Brexit is Brexit - what's the holdup?



Brexit means Brexit



The referendum may have given irresistible political force to the Leave side but membership of the EU may prove an unmoveable object. There is a contradiction, and nobody can predict how this contradiction can be resolved.

Bipat Aug 9th 2016 9:39 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12022862)

Your link by Denis Macshane. Is he out of prison now? His girl friend seems to have a different view.
(What a pair they are :lol::lol:)

https://www.civilserviceworld.com/ar...hitehall-prove

amideislas Aug 9th 2016 10:15 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 
I don't know about that.

There's still some good points made in the article, regardless of who it was written by.

jimenato Aug 9th 2016 10:20 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12022893)
Your link by Denis Macshane. Is he out of prison now? His girl friend seems to have a different view.
(What a pair they are :lol::lol:)

https://www.civilserviceworld.com/ar...hitehall-prove

Hah! Straight for the Ad Hom - so much easier than addressing the point being made isn't it?

I'm not panicking about Brexit - at least not yet and I suspect not for a very long time.

This is because I, along with everyone else from top to bottom, have no idea what it is.

Some people think they do - they think it consists of things they were told during the campaign - getting their country back, new hospitals every week and so on - even getting control of immigration - I know, I know - daft but that's what people believe.

I shall delay panicking until someone finds out what it is and tells us.

Vexcore Aug 9th 2016 10:36 am

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Originally Posted by Annetje (Post 12022849)
Make sure your Britisch passport is big enough for all the visa's you will need in futur :-)

Fine by me,

Freedom of movement was good to begin with.. but it got abused... and it's a massive mess....

mmmmbuti Aug 9th 2016 10:57 am

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Ok lets summarize what has actually happened after the referendum instead speculating about the future:

- The UK has lost the powerful post of EU commissioner for financial services and it's going to get as a replacement the much less powerful commissioner for security.
- Italy has been invited to join Germany and France in their regular meetings about how to run the EU, in fact overstepping the UK as the third most influential member of the union.
- In the rest of the Europe, confidence in the EU raised and eurosceptic parties lost support.
- David Cameron resigned, replaced by Theresa May.
- The Labour party is in shambles after a coup against Jeremy Corbyn which is likely to fail.
- The pound has lost value against the dollar and the euro.
- Scotland is considering independence again and Northern Ireland is considering reuniting with the south.
- UK business and consumer confidence is dropping significantly.
- UK economy growth forecasts have been cut.
- UK housing market is slowing down.
- No one in the UK knows for sure what brexit means.

Am I forgetting something?

amideislas Aug 9th 2016 11:08 am

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There is a thing called "collective conscious".

Before the referendum, and immediately following it, the collective conscious of the leave camp seemed to believe (and openly touted) that following a successful leave vote, the UK would suddenly flourish with prosperity and freedom (and without pesky foreigners), having been "freed" from the "shackles" it had been bound to. The future will be boundless with opportunity.

Now, that collective conscious seems to be moderating decrementally with every day. Yes, we acknowledge that we're going to suffer, but we'll be better off in the long run. Yes, we know it will take a long time, but we'll be better off in the long run. Yes, well, we didn't mean that we would be getting rid of foreigners, in fact, we welcome them. OK, the bus thing was a lie, but at least we have control. And although much of what we thought we voted for has nothing to do with the EU, at least we'll be better off. And yes, maybe we don't really know what brexit is... but in spite of the drawbacks, we'll do our best to make it a success, because we voted for it...

Aside from a few remaining dogmatists, there has been a subtle, but important shift in the "collective conscious". The tune from the leave camp is a bit different now. The melody is increasingly similar to the remain camp, although the lyrics are different.

Scamp Aug 9th 2016 11:13 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by TGA (Post 12022474)
From the brexit doom sayers

https://www.theguardian.com/business...er-brexit-vote

In the real world:

Consumer spending increased in wake of Brexit vote - ITV News

you can't see it but I have a smug smile..

Fascinating.

From your ITV article, about the real world, which gave you a smug smile...I'm wondering which bit did;


Consumers' spending increased the week after the EU referendum but there were signs of shoppers adopting a more cautious mindset, according to new data from Barclaycard.

In the week between June 24 and June 30, they noted a 2.14% increase in consumer spending on Barclaycard credit and debit cards, compared to the previous week.

Those behind the report noted spending often goes up at the end of each month, as it coincides with payday for many people.
Or was it this bit?


While short-term confidence appears to have improved, concerns have been raised about the long-term impacts of the UK's decision to leave the European Union.

The report found 43% of consumers expected their household finances to deteriorate as a result of Brexit, and of these, 81% believe the cost of everyday items - such as groceries and petrol - will increase.

Gordon Barlow Aug 9th 2016 6:01 pm

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Next up: Italy!
Italy gives green light to pivotal referendum which could DESTROY EU | World | News | Daily Express

mfesharne Aug 9th 2016 6:41 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow (Post 12023201)

But surely not....... certain Remainers here have spent the last few weeks denying this could possibly happen and arguing that everything was all tickety boo in the other member states?

Or is it that I'm a racist (which accusation supposedly trumps all logical debate) or because it's in the DE, it couldn't possibly be true?

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarc asm:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d2...pse21ca2a2.gif

No need to get the flamethrowers out guys........ I'm only pulling your leg! :)

TGA Aug 9th 2016 7:07 pm

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Editha Aug 9th 2016 7:10 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by mfesharne (Post 12023224)
But surely not....... certain Remainers here have spent the last few weeks denying this could possibly happen and arguing that everything was all tickety boo in the other member states?

Or is it that I'm a racist (which accusation supposedly trumps all logical debate) or because it's in the DE, it couldn't possibly be true?

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarc asm:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d2...pse21ca2a2.gif

No need to get the flamethrowers out guys........ I'm only pulling your leg! :)

You also appear to be under a delusion that the referendum in Italy is on the EU, although you could be forgiven for thinking that, given the misleading Daily Express headline and the poorly worded article.

mfesharne Aug 9th 2016 7:19 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Editha (Post 12023237)
You also appear to be under a delusion that the referendum in Italy is on the EU, although you could be forgiven for thinking that, given the misleading Daily Express headline and the poorly worded article.

Sooooooo...... You're not big on sense of humour then? ;)

Editha Aug 9th 2016 7:47 pm

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I've got a very good sense of humour. You are just not funny.

mfesharne Aug 9th 2016 8:01 pm

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Originally Posted by Editha (Post 12023255)
I've got a very good sense of humour. You are just not funny.

I'll have you know I'm well known for my sense of humour........ tho not perhaps for my good sense of humour.......... and definitely NOT for my political correctness!

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d2...pse21ca2a2.gif


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