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Old Mar 19th 2019, 5:16 pm
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
There you go again, another personal attack on a poster instead of debating the point.
I note you don't bring that up when your chums undertake personal attacks on me on a daily basis.

Anyway, mine had the laughing emoji, signalling it was a joke and not a personal attack.
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Old Mar 19th 2019, 5:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Shard View Post
Sorry, I believe democracy only occurs once a millennium, and this time it was on 23 June 2016. There can be no further democracy after that point in time, because, in case you forgot 17.4 million of Britain's 65 million people decided that enough was enough, and they want to go back to just the "Common Market" and 10p for a Flake 99.
You need to enact democracy - once you've enacted the referendum you can start lobbying to rejoin if you like.
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Old Mar 19th 2019, 5:17 pm
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If by "positive" you mean robbing less developed countries of their young skilled medical staff whilst suppressing the wages of UK nurses and disincentivising the training of British medical staff - then yes, I guess so.

I did, the slow closure of the EU reserve pool of labour is reducing unemployment and pulling people from the UK's reserve pool of labour - including those not economically active and those underemployed. If we manage to reduce our persistent high net immigration we will see further wage increases leading to further economic activity from those not partaking at the moment and also further investment in automation - all real positives for the UK. Let's hope we find a suitably brave government to go against the virtue-signalling authodoxy of mass migration and actually look after the futures of the British people.
How do you reconcile the fall in EU migration with the continuing even increasing numbers of non EU migration.


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Old Mar 19th 2019, 5:19 pm
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How do you reconcile the fall in EU migration with the continuing even increasing numbers of non EU migration.
Unhappily - but if we'd hadn't voted to leave it would be increases in both streams.
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Old Mar 19th 2019, 5:19 pm
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If by "positive" you mean robbing less developed countries of their young skilled medical staff whilst suppressing the wages of UK nurses and disincentivising the training of British medical staff - then yes, I guess so.
Your crocodile tears are endearing. Like Nigel Farage, champion of Africans and Indians that might want to come to join the merry folk of Essex and Kent in modern global Britain.

Health care wages are set by the government, and have nothing to do with nasty foreigners pushing down wages.

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Old Mar 19th 2019, 5:21 pm
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You need to enact democracy - once you've enacted the referendum you can start lobbying to rejoin if you like.
It doesn't work like that in the real world. Just ask the folk in Swindon. Decisions have consequences, this isn't a golf club AGM.
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Old Mar 19th 2019, 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Shard View Post
It doesn't work like that in the real world. Just ask the folk in Swindon. Decisions have consequences, this isn't a golf club AGM.
Why would I ask the people in Swindon?

Honda said the move was due to global changes in the car industry and the need to launch electric vehicles, and it had nothing to do with Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47287386

The reality is that there will be winners and losers - just like any political decision. Perhaps we should be asking the people whose wages have been rising or those whose rents have been falling?
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Why would I ask the people in Swindon?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47287386

The reality is that there will be winners and losers - just like any political decision. Perhaps we should be asking the people whose wages have been rising or those whose rents have been falling?
Nothing to do with Brexit.

You don't seen to know how Japanese business works. Maybe do a wider search on what the Japan government and business community says before you put all your naive faith in a press release designed to fool people such as yourself.
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Nothing to do with Brexit.

You don't seen to know how Japanese business works. Maybe do a wider search on what the Japan government and business community says before you put all your naive faith in a press release designed to fool people such as yourself.
Don't know why you have to sink to these depths Shard. Surely you could have drawn attention to other businesses that have explicitly blamed Brexit for adverse decisions; and which would have illustrated your point far better than choosing one that said it's not a factor and then claiming anyone who believes Honda is naive?
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Your crocodile tears are endearing. Like Nigel Farage, champion of Africans and Indians that might want to come to join the merry folk of Essex and Kent in modern global Britain.

Health care wages are set by the government, and have nothing to do with nasty foreigners pushing down wages.
And the government can keep the wages down by importing foreigners who will work for less - therefore suppressing the wages of the rest of the healthcare workers. If we did not import workers the government would have to pay more to incentivise - short-term to incentivise trained people to rejoin the workforce, longer term to incentivise people to study the appropriate subjects and become healthcare workers.
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Unhappily - but if we'd hadn't voted to leave it would be increases in both streams.
As dictated by the needs of the economy and public services..
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Don't know why you have to sink to these depths Shard. Surely you could have drawn attention to other businesses that have explicitly blamed Brexit for adverse decisions; and which would have illustrated your point far better than choosing one that said it's not a factor and then claiming anyone who believes Honda is naive?
Indeed - there may be businesses that do blame brexit (although at the moment, all they have to blame is the uncertainty), yet time and time again remainiacs reach for any bad bit of economic news and shout "because brexit!" whether it is relevant or not. Shard used to seem a bit more stable than many of the others with their wild claims, but now seems to be sinking to their depths.

Of course, when we get good news like unemployment, wages etc it's all "despite Brexit!"
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As dictated by the needs of the economy and public services..
As dictated by the wants of big business and the elites.
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Gotta remember to put on my wellies when entering this thread.
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Of course, when we get good news like unemployment, wages etc it's all "despite Brexit!"
Yup.

Or it's because "we haven't left yet".
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