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Old Mar 14th 2019, 3:05 pm
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
It's all a part of the con. It's a treaty - and a very bad one at that, that more closely resembles a surrender-terms document. Theresa must surely have known it would never pass. Ever. As for a "No Deal" Brexit: Well we already have several of deals on that, from UK/EU aviation deals to ferry crossing deals. The only reason "No deal" has not resulted in more deals is our parliament has done everything it can to prevent it. Everything could have been already in place now for a "many deals" Brexit if parliament had't f***ed things up so determinedly. So again "No deal" was just another of their lies. Same with "crashing out" and "cliff edge". ...What a disgrace!
No deal / clean break is a hoax intended for the feeble-minded.

The only thing it would achieve wold be to reset the start point for negotiations for the future relationship way further back and simultaneously exert enormous pressure on the UK to cede ground on every front in order to get the arrangements they want and need.

Would you like some custard with that?
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Old Mar 14th 2019, 3:06 pm
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Originally Posted by materialcontroller View Post
I actuaIly agree with all of that Dave. I've always held the view that both sides contributed to this mess and none of us are squeaky clean or emerge from this debacle with any credit.
Ah, the old "both sides are as bad as each other" ploy. It's a well-known technique.
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Old Mar 14th 2019, 3:13 pm
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
Ah, the old "both sides are as bad as each other" ploy. It's a well-known technique.
We aren't all as ideologically invested as you are Eric. Despite your protestations at being referred to as a Remainer, everyone reading this forum knows exactly how one sided and one dimensional you are. You can't see the wood for the trees.
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Originally Posted by materialcontroller View Post
We aren't all as ideologically invested as you are Eric. Despite your protestations at being referred to as a Remainer, everyone reading this forum knows exactly how one sided and one dimensional you are. You can't see the wood for the trees.

They do?

Was there a poll?

I must have missed it.

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Old Mar 14th 2019, 3:17 pm
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by Expatrick View Post
Yes, why don't you - & while you're at it stop throwing petty insults at other people.
You have to remember, Cape takes personally any post that disproves his views , disputes his opinions.
After all we are but mere Prolls, carbon units, intellectual pygmies compared to him.
I am surprised you did not realise that.
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
No deal / clean break is a hoax intended for the feeble-minded.

The only thing it would achieve wold be to reset the start point for negotiations for the future relationship way further back and simultaneously exert enormous pressure on the UK to cede ground on every front in order to get the arrangements they want and need.

Would you like some custard with that?

I saw a comment on the Beeb feed this morning:

"I think they should just put everything back the way it was before we entered the EU and then start again from there".

How on earth does that person think that is even possible ?
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Old Mar 14th 2019, 3:20 pm
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
They do?

Was there a poll?

I must have missed it.
That doesn't surprise me. You seem to miss an awful lot of nuance in these discussions, but then you're probably distracted by already having enough on your plate worrying about a non-existent right wing coup in the UK.
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
They do?

Was there a poll?

I must have missed it.
It wasnt a poll you missed it was a Referendum
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian View Post
It wasnt a poll you missed it was a Referendum

We had a referendum about Eric? I shall be more deferential in future.
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

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That doesn't surprise me. You seem to miss an awful lot of nuance in these discussions, but then you're probably distracted by already having enough on your plate worrying about a non-existent right wing coup in the UK.

What?
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Old Mar 14th 2019, 3:50 pm
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by Shard View Post
That, I'm afraid, is the way of the future when automation/AI seriously kicks in. People will need to be supported when the lump of labour shrinks. I don't accept the fallacy, by the way. Not in the coming technological age. Listen to Andrew Yang, US political candidate.
I guess one has to wonder when that will be - will it be driverless vehicles - cars, trucks, buses etc in 5 years time, 10 years, 15? One of course has to wonder whether we should be importing so many millions of workers right in the face of this change that will make so many unemployed.

The "slave labour/conditions" etc is emotive language. Apart from criminal situations, workers are making voluntary choices. And there is something to be valued is Britain obtaining the willing labour, and EU-country indirectly benefitting from the fruits of that labour. It's core to the EU concept of mutual development.
I'm sure kids working up chimneys were doing it voluntarily for the money as well in the past - better than going hungry. Does the donor country indirectly benefit? Or do they lose their young and fit and educated who could be powering their country forward to the UK to deliver kebabs and wipe bottoms?
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Originally Posted by Shard View Post
A very good point. The insular English exceptionalists are in for a shock if they do get their No Deal nirvana.
What about the insular Welsh and Scottish exceptionalists?
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Many low-skilled sectors of UK employment will always pay the lowest possible rate (especially service industries), not because of migration but because most of them compete for business on price. If a nursing home/fast food restaurant/coffee shop/retail raises it's prices to the client/customer to pay increased wages and it's competition doesn't, it may attract better workers but may also lose those clients it attracted through the price of it's products.
Entirely wrong.

Employers will indeed pay the lowest possible rate because they compete on price. But if they are all struggling to get cheap compliant workers from abroad, they will all have to pay more to source labour and the playing field is level between them - they will all need to charge more to their customers.

Does it take much intelligence to do a vanity course or degree, compared to the intelligence and effort required to train in something that gives a career path.
This almost sounds like my 21 year-old graduate Vs 50 year old electrician argument on voting remain/leave.
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I guess one has to wonder when that will be - will it be driverless vehicles - cars, trucks, buses etc in 5 years time, 10 years, 15? One of course has to wonder whether we should be importing so many millions of workers right in the face of this change that will make so many unemployed.

I'm sure kids working up chimneys were doing it voluntarily for the money as well in the past - better than going hungry. Does the donor country indirectly benefit? Or do they lose their young and fit and educated who could be powering their country forward to the UK to deliver kebabs and wipe bottoms?
"Importing millions", do you have that tattooed on your forehead, mirror image of course so you can motivate yourself every morning when you look at it the mirror..
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Originally Posted by Annetje View Post
Should be on the other thread though, this one is called ''Politics of Chequers, no deal etc........''
Eg. I am interested in a futur deal or no deal but am no bothered with immigration (EU or others).
Who made you the chief of the forum? If your not bothered don't read - simples.
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