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Old Mar 10th 2019, 12:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Shard View Post
David Davis on Marr - still banging on about the EU needing us much more than we need them. Incompetence in this government know no bounds.
I find some of the language used by these people (health sec was on earlier saying the same kind of things) highly irresponsible.

Davis was banging on about what he thinks the referendum was about - leaving the CU and the Single Market and the ECJ and nothing else will do and lying that everyone on both sides of the debate said that those things would definitely happen - but they might well not happen.

Trouble he is appealing to the loony end of the leaver spectrum - Brexit never was and still isn't defined but some impressionable people will believe that crap.

I can see dissent and disorder kicking off whatever happens - but his kind of blather is inflammatory.
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
That may be what the daily mail/express says, but in fact, there are plenty of people (that aren't British, by the way) who are quite pro-EU, probably a substantial majority. Sure, even those have "issues" with it, but I'm not aware of anywhere in the galaxy where everything is perfect and ideal. There will always be something to dislike.

Nonetheless, the vast majority of Brits aren't going to like Brexit, because it can't possibly result in what they were led to believe it is (or otherwise expected), no matter what side of the political spectrum they come from. You can expect widespread dissent for the foreseeable future, No matter what the outcome.
Well duh, Captain Obvious.

It's an emotive issue characterised by extremist ideologues on both sides of the debate. Of course it's going to be divisive.

Still, you're having fun with it, although that's very easy to do when you are outside the UK.
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Old Mar 10th 2019, 12:08 pm
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by jimenato View Post
I find some of the language used by these people (health sec was on earlier saying the same kind of things) highly irresponsible.

Davis was banging on about what he thinks the referendum was about - leaving the CU and the Single Market and the ECJ and nothing else will do and lying that everyone on both sides of the debate said that those things would definitely happen - but they might well not happen.

Trouble he is appealing to the loony end of the leaver spectrum - Brexit never was and still isn't defined but some impressionable people will believe that crap.

I can see dissent and disorder kicking off whatever happens - but his kind of blather is inflammatory.
It certainly is blather and the loonier lap it up. The other theme I don't like, which Brexit politicians always talk up, is that is that by not "respecting the vote" the public will "lose faith in democracy" or whatever their set phrase is. They are subtly planting the seeds of discontent in people's mind. If a few million simpletons lose faith in the voting process, that might not be a bad thing.
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Where did you pull that one from?
His arse. The same place he pulls all those pathetic articles from, and insists on date stamping them because he doesn't want to be accused of posting outdated crap again.

English is used in Cyprus, Malta and the ROI isn't it? As such, and given its widespread use in translation services, it will continue to be employed throughout the EU and its institutions.

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Originally Posted by Shard View Post
It certainly is blather and the loonier lap it up. The other theme I don't like, which Brexit politicians always talk up, is that is that by not "respecting the vote" the public will "lose faith in democracy" or whatever their set phrase is. They are subtly planting the seeds of discontent in people's mind. If a few million simpletons lose faith in the voting process, that might not be a bad thing.
Quite agree.

This irresponsible stirring up of the masses is disturbing - the sort of thing you wouldn't expect from previously reasonable and responsible people in the British political sphere.
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Old Mar 10th 2019, 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
Hunt or Raab are in the running for 4th place..
At least Leasdown appears to be out of the running or is she 🤔
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Old Mar 10th 2019, 12:38 pm
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Where did you pull that one from?
The fate of English in the EU after Brexit: Expected and unexpected twists

After Brexit, English can no longer retain its status as one of the EU's official or working languages. This column uses data on languages spoken in the EU to show that post-Brexit, German and French would become dominant. Efforts to preserve English as an official language of EU institutions, which would require a unanimous vote among members, are unlikely to succeed. This may be problematic for certain European countries in which English is a more widely spoken second language than German or French.
I pulled it from a quick Google search. There are other results as well.

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His arse. The same place he pulls all those pathetic articles from, and insists on date stamping them because he doesn't want to be accused of posting outdated crap again.

English is used in Cyprus, Malta and the ROI isn't it? As such, and given its widespread use in translation services, it will continue to be employed throughout the EU and its institutions.

Also from the same link.

Preserving English as an official language of the EU will be problematic if Brexit takes place. English became an official language in the EU (then the EEC) when the UK joined the Union. Nowadays it is the most widely spoken language in the EU and also is the working language in its institutions (with the exception of the Court of Justice, which uses French). If the UK leaves the EU, English can no longer retain its status as one of the Union's official or working languages. Every member is entitled to choose one official native language in the EU. Malta and Ireland are the only two countries in which English is official, but Malta chose Maltese and Ireland chose Irish as their official languages.

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Hunt or Raab are in the running for 4th place..
Last count in the Cons. party had Leadsom favorite.
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The fate of English in the EU after Brexit: Expected and unexpected twists



I pulled it from a quick Google search. There are other results as well.



Also from the same link.
You're conflating official languages with working languages.

007Steve was talking about official languages.

https://europarlamentti.info/en/Euro...ing-languages/

The European Union has 23 official languages:

Bulgarian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovenia, Slovene, Spanish and Swedish.

Because some languages are spoken in several countries, there are fewer official languages than member states.

To save time and money, all the preparatory documents are usually not translated into all the languages. The European Commission uses English, French as German as its working languages.
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... However you choose to analyse what was apparently broadcast this morning, facts do not change;
The Tories did not win the last election outright, their previous majority was cut to a point where they had to make a support deal with the DUP - which is still relied on.
Lies, (it's as simple as that); - Lies were apparently told to the head of state about having capacity to govern, based on that support.
2+ years have produced no tangible outcome that is generally supported - least of all by the extreme-right of the Tory Party.
The opposition leadership is as disinterested in the process other than as a means to gain power.
The Tories now appear concerned solely with the future survival of the Tory Party, not the representation of the UK.
If The Times article is correct, and the optional votes are pulled on Tuesday next, we enter a new phase - Govt. by inertia.
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At least Leasdown appears to be out of the running or is she 🤔
I think the last thing we need after the Maybot is the Maybot-2 .
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Originally Posted by Annetje View Post
Last count in the Cons. party had Leadsom favorite.
Most bookies seem to have Gove, BoJo, Raab, Javid, Hunt and Rudd as the most likely. Usually in that order.
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You're conflating official languages with working languages.
007Steve was talking about official languages.
https://europarlamentti.info/en/Euro...ing-languages/
Thank you CB.
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... However you choose to analyse what was apparently broadcast this morning, facts do not change;
The Tories did not win the last election outright, their previous majority was cut to a point where they had to make a support deal with the DUP - which is still relied on.
Lies, (it's as simple as that); - Lies were apparently told to the head of state about having capacity to govern, based on that support.
2+ years have produced no tangible outcome that is generally supported - least of all by the extreme-right of the Tory Party.
The opposition leadership is as disinterested in the process other than as a means to gain power.
The Tories now appear concerned solely with the future survival of the Tory Party, not the representation of the UK.
If The Times article is correct, and the optional votes are pulled on Tuesday next, we enter a new phase - Govt. by inertia.
That's hardly a new phase, it's been like that for over 2 years.
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Originally Posted by 007Steve View Post
... However you choose to analyse what was apparently broadcast this morning, facts do not change;
The Tories did not win the last election outright, their previous majority was cut to a point where they had to make a support deal with the DUP - which is still relied on.
Lies, (it's as simple as that); - Lies were apparently told to the head of state about having capacity to govern, based on that support.
2+ years have produced no tangible outcome that is generally supported - least of all by the extreme-right of the Tory Party.
The opposition leadership is as disinterested in the process other than as a means to gain power.
The Tories now appear concerned solely with the future survival of the Tory Party, not the representation of the UK.
If The Times article is correct, and the optional votes are pulled on Tuesday next, we enter a new phase - Govt. by inertia.
And given the defection from the Tories to The Independent Group, I count that there are currently 314 Tory MPs and 8 DUP, totalling 322 seats, against 649 total (+1 vacant seat). So even with the DUP, the Tories have a minority government now.
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