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Old Mar 10th 2019, 10:28 am
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Paulry likes videos. He ought to watch this one. Unfortunately, it's not from some obscure fringe nutjob with a video camera and editing software, but from a respectable news source, and quite well balanced, so he'll likely rubbish it as "fake news".

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Old Mar 10th 2019, 10:30 am
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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy View Post
Puts a slightly different spin on the term 'voter fatigue'.
Yep. But with fatigue comes undirected anger & 'kick-back'. If Our Betters aren't very careful there might be 'a-rising' of sorts imo. They still don't seem to understand they're playing with people's lives, their kids futures, businesses and, actually in the final analysis, the UK's stability.
I try to look for positives in any scenario, and watching this 'process' trundle along for the last 2+ years outside the UK, I've wondered if it could form part of a training, or toolkit, or lessons-learned pack. So, could you make it part of a learning module for business training, run services using it, or even manage relationships, using what's gone on as a template?
I can't find anything, but can anyone else?
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Old Mar 10th 2019, 10:35 am
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No matter the outcome, a large percentage of the British population isn't going to be the least bit pleased with it. Probably the vast majority.

But they knew that when they voted
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Old Mar 10th 2019, 10:36 am
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Your talents are wasted on here - you should really be on the telly.
It's British government advice to Brits residing in the UK( unlike you ) planning to travel to the EU after Brexit..
It may well not be necessary but only time will tell.​​​​​​
Maybe you should get the Portuguese government to put a statement in the UK press and media.
" You will not need an IDP if driving in Portugal after March 29th " it will boost tourism to Portugal...

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Old Mar 10th 2019, 10:41 am
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
No matter the outcome, a large percentage of the British population isn't going to be the least bit pleased with it. Probably the vast majority.
Rather like the EU project itself then. Compromises (and there's probably no bigger example of compromise than the EU at work) invariably end up pleasing nobody.
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Old Mar 10th 2019, 11:11 am
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
No matter the outcome, a large percentage of the British population isn't going to be the least bit pleased with it. Probably the vast majority.

But they knew that when they voted
As has probably been said already on here, it's not just the British population that will be displeased, especially with the (hopefully slim) threat of no-deal still hanging in there, Brexit in any form will be disruptive (and costly) to all the remaining member states, and a no-deal scenario very much more so. Not that the gung-ho right wing ostrich mentality loonies give a rodent's bottom.
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Old Mar 10th 2019, 11:22 am
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Originally Posted by 007Steve View Post
Ah! ... Well, for once we seem to agree EMR. I call it News Management, but it amounts to the same thing; - keeping people off-balance so they don't ask awkward questions & accept being blinkered.
Now, without getting off your point, there's apparently an interesting item in The Times to-day saying, in effect, that May has a final PM's option come Tuesday's vote; - to pull the announced & promised other two other options if her deal is rejected....
If this is democracy, imo, it's certainly very well disguised.
Yes, unbelieveable chicanery if it were to happen.
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Old Mar 10th 2019, 11:26 am
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David Davis on Marr - still banging on about the EU needing us much more than we need them. Incompetence in this government know no bounds.
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Rather like the EU project itself then. Compromises (and there's probably no bigger example of compromise than the EU at work) invariably end up pleasing nobody.
That may be what the daily mail/express says, but in fact, there are plenty of people (that aren't British, by the way) who are quite pro-EU, probably a substantial majority. Sure, even those have "issues" with it, but I'm not aware of anywhere in the galaxy where everything is perfect and ideal. There will always be something to dislike.

Nonetheless, the vast majority of Brits aren't going to like Brexit, because it can't possibly result in what they were led to believe it is (or otherwise expected), no matter what side of the political spectrum they come from. You can expect widespread dissent for the foreseeable future, No matter what the outcome.
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Yes, unbelieveable chicanery if it were to happen.
That option is already being discussed.
Sunday is always " Brexit fantasy day " in the papers and the discussion progs which fill the morning schedule.
Will May as her deal is likely to be voted down threaten to resign forcing Tories to chose between a deal or an election.
Will she resign anyway passing the poisened chalice of brexit on to one if the " 4 stooges" , no election.
Will she continue to delay and delay with a no deal exit becoming more and more likely with a final vote on her deal days before we leave.

Who else remembers the US tv series " Soap " , we have our own its called Brexit.


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Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy View Post
As has probably been said already on here, it's not just the British population that will be displeased, especially with the (hopefully slim) threat of no-deal still hanging in there, Brexit in any form will be disruptive (and costly) to all the remaining member states, and a no-deal scenario very much more so. Not that the gung-ho right wing ostrich mentality loonies give a rodent's bottom.
True. But then, a "no deal" Brexit is highly unlikely to have the depth of impact on EU member states of say, the crash of 2008. But it's likely to be deeper for the UK. And nobody's going to be pleased about that. The aftermath is going to be with the UK for a long time to come. But for Europe, maybe a few months, if not weeks.
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Old Mar 10th 2019, 11:41 am
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That option is already being discussed.
Sunday is always " Brexit fantasy day " in the papers and the discussion progs which fill the morning schedule.
Will May as her deal is likely to be voted down threaten to resign forcing Tories to chose between a deal or an election.
Will she resign anyway passing the poisened chalice of brexit on to one if the " 4 stooges" , no election.
Will she continue to delay and delay with a no deal exit becoming more and more likely with a final vote on her deal days before we leave.

Who else remembers the US tv series " Soap " , we have our own its called Brexit.
Interesting observation about Sundays in the new cycle. It makes some sense. Althought I know that I myself was pondering May's demise should her second deal vote fail. I think she will have to go, somehow. If we do enter the extenstion, the ultras will see it as a last chance alley fight to fulfil their dream of Brexit, and want to install a hard-Brexit leader. I think the only stooge who might carry it is new-look Boris. Davis is such bumbling fool, and Fox is discredited by his lack of achievement on the easiest trade deal bravado. Who is the fourth stooge?
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Interesting observation about Sundays in the new cycle. It makes some sense. Althought I know that I myself was pondering May's demise should her second deal vote fail. I think she will have to go, somehow. If we do enter the extenstion, the ultras will see it as a last chance alley fight to fulfil their dream of Brexit, and want to install a hard-Brexit leader. I think the only stooge who might carry it is new-look Boris. Davis is such bumbling fool, and Fox is discredited by his lack of achievement on the easiest trade deal bravado. Who is the fourth stooge?
Hunt or Raab are in the running for 4th place..
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Hunt or Raab are in the running for 4th place..
I don't characterise either as a stooge, although have completely lost any goodwill I had towards Hunt. Having said that, I think either would be a strong political choice for the Tories seeking to achieve some form of Brexit.
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eerrrmmm... Post no deal, English won't be an official EU language... n'est-ce par..?
You'll have to learn ...
Where did you pull that one from?
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