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Old Mar 8th 2019, 6:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
So what will you do if the voters have changed their minds?

Or is that not allowed?
We'll find out later this year.
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Old Mar 8th 2019, 7:00 pm
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I'm still trying to work out who's democratically arrived at a decision to leave the UK
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
Yep, and there's some fundamental non-negotiable truths such as the democratically arrived at decision to leave the UK - it cannot be overturned no matter how much the losers kick, scream and shout.
It was only a suggestion.
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
Remember what the polls suggested before the referendum?
Yes, I do.

Some of them were very accurate indeed.
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Aahhh... I see our Secessionist Ranters have logged on for another evening of name calling & thread-occupation.
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Except your message wasn't clearly referring to that.

The EU put the backstop in as a way to help Ireland dismantle the UK and hold GB over a barrel. May did not let them split the UK, but didn't see clearly enough that the trap would not be acceptable to British MPs.
Are you sure, UK news discussions tonight state it was May who asked for the backstop ?
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It was only a suggestion.
Is that the official party line, Eric?
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Hold another vote and find out then? Surely you want to be democratic?
No other UK referenda have ever been subject to a second, confirmatory plebiscite. The result has always been respected and enacted.

So why start now?
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Is that the official party line, Eric?
What party would that be then?
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[QUOTE=materialcontroller;12650291]No other UK referenda have ever been subject to a second, confirmatory plebiscite. The result has always been respected and enacted.

So why start now?[/QUOTE

The argument is not about leaving but the terms of departure.
Its the ERG and Co who have been just as responsible for delaying departure as any other group.
A referendum on the terms with the option to remain is not anti democratic but a logical second step..
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No other UK referenda have ever been subject to a second, confirmatory plebiscite. The result has always been respected and enacted.

So why start now?[/QUOTE

The argument is not about leaving but the terms of departure.
Its the ERG and Co who have been just as responsible for delaying departure as any other group.
A referendum on the terms with the option to remain is not anti democratic but a logical second step..
This is true. I'm hoping we will be able to thank them for facilitating a No Brexit.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-brexit-defeat

Love this headline.
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

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This is true. I'm hoping we will be able to thank them for facilitating a No Brexit.
There would be a certain amount of schadenfreude to be experienced from that, wouldn't there?

Particularly as it was that sort who urged so vociferously for the EU enlargement that was later cited as being extra problematic.



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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

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The argument is not about leaving but the terms of departure.
Its the ERG and Co who have been just as responsible for delaying departure as any other group.
A referendum on the terms with the option to remain is not anti democratic but a logical second step..
There's no need to debate the terms of departure. The referendum was a simple binary "Full in" or "Full out". We wouldn't have been debating the terms of staying if the vote had gone to Remain, would we?
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There's no need to debate the terms of departure. The referendum was a simple binary "Full in" or "Full out". We wouldn't have been debating the terms of staying if the vote had gone to Remain, would we?
Your memory's failing you.

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