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Old Sep 24th 2018, 4:10 pm
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Donald Tusk is President of the European Council of Ministers, who are the Heads of State of each EU member country. The President is elected by qualified majority voting by those Heads of State, and ratified by the EU Parliament. EU Presidents
Our head of state is the Queen. True that nobody elected her but she remains the head of state for the UK and many other countries nontheless.

So who exactly voted for Tusk then?
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 4:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Annetje View Post
Just google : UK politicians insulting EU ... it might surprise you
And they do that via social media do they?

No matter how you try to spin it, it's completely inappropriate.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 4:13 pm
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
Our head of state is the Queen. True that nobody elected her but she remains the head of state for the UK and many other countries nontheless.

So who exactly voted for Tusk then?
Sorry, I meant heads of state or government.. The link clarifies that.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 5:31 pm
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And they do that via social media do they?

No matter how you try to spin it, it's completely inappropriate.
Yet oddly, there seems to be an exception in your case. I suppose you're just "exceptional", which isn't surprising.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 5:38 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Yet oddly, there seems to be an exception in your case. I suppose you're just "exceptional", which isn't surprising.
What exception are you talking about?
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 5:42 pm
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"unelected officials" is just another emotional-trigger, like "non-bendy-bananas" to hoodwink the masses into thinking the EU is an evil empire.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 5:52 pm
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hoodwink the masses into thinking the EU is an evil empire.
It is an evil empire and a shit one at that IMHO.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 6:01 pm
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It is an evil empire and a shit one at that IMHO.
That's one narrative. It's certainly been presented that way in some newspapers over the years. Funnily enough, if you canvas opinion from universities, industry, the arts, and parliament, most do not think that way.
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A second referendum does seem problematic for us Remainers. If Leave (under a defined method) won, it would at least be accepted, and give Leave a confirmed mandate. But if Remain were to squeak past this time, Brxiters would not accept it; only a resounding Remain win would placate the masses. I think that's why MP's on both sides are being non-commital on a referendum as they only want to support if there is an enormous groundswell for it.
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by Shard View Post
That's one narrative. It's certainly been presented that way in some newspapers over the years. Funnily enough, if you canvas opinion from universities, industry, the arts, and parliament, most do not think that way.
Yes because they tend to only see one small part of it and often have their own agenda to consider. Those also tend to be the groups who benefit the least from strict immigration controls.
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

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What exception are you talking about?
Apparently it's just peachy when you insult Europeans with made-up baseless rhetoric, thinly veiled to reinforce your exceptionalism. The Germans in particular aren't insulted by your lot though. It's rather amusing to them. And validating, actually.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 6:26 pm
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Yes because they tend to only see one small part of it and often have their own agenda to consider. Those also tend to be the groups who benefit the least from strict immigration controls.
It's not about agendas (another myth) or seeing small parts, it's about understanding history, economics, and the interdependencies modern nations have. Like every government, the EU has faults, but they are outweighed by the stability and cooperation they bring to a huge continent. There's a lot of irrational fear of the EU, brought about by a xenophobic press and gullible public.

The strict immigration control is a separate issue.
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A second referendum does seem problematic for us Remainers. If Leave (under a defined method) won, it would at least be accepted, and give Leave a confirmed mandate. But if Remain were to squeak past this time, Brxiters would not accept it; only a resounding Remain win would placate the masses. I think that's why MP's on both sides are being non-commital on a referendum as they only want to support if there is an enormous groundswell for it.
I think that's a fair sum up of the situation. As for 'Leave (under a defined method)' - that's a tricky one. You mean the EU should endorse the options?
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

That's much too deep into critical thinking for that lot. They just see the parts they want to believe, and dismiss all the rest.

​​​​​​this article touches on that insular mentality.

https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...​​​​

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I think that's a fair sum up of the situation. As for 'Leave (under a defined method)' - that's a tricky one. You mean the EU should endorse the options?
No, I meant Leave under a) Canada type deal, b) No Deal.
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