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Old Sep 24th 2018, 2:05 pm
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The support for a second vote amongst Labour party conference members seems to be running at 80%. If Jezza decides to call for a second referendum, it may be a game changer.
Yes indeed. Labour is finally coming around. A shame it didn’t happen earlier.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 2:25 pm
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Best Brexit news in a long, long time. Evidently the EU learnt nothing from Cameron’s “renegotiation” otherwise they would’ve welcomed locking the UK into Chequers with open arms. Now we’re where we should’ve been 18 months ago and negotiating a Canada plus deal. It’s mind boggling that they still think they can bounce the UK into a second referendum. Expect a five minutes to midnight deal where miraculously the Irish border problem isn’t so much of a problem after all when Merkel and Macron are faced with the reality of a £39 billion budget deficit.
Sorry, but £39 billion (if that's even realistic. Probably assumes the UK will stop all consumption of European goods, which is highly unlikely) is still not an existential number for Germany or France, and certainly not the EU as a whole.

I'm afraid if anyone is going to be forced to capitulate in the last 5 minutes it will be the UK. Because so far, it's been the UK (well, England) that's subscribed to all the unrealistic expectations. The last 5 minutes will finally force reality into consciousness. And the consequences to the UK are indeed close to existential. NI will likely reunify with Ireland, and Scotland (though painful) will have little choice but to rejoin the EU one way or another, because staying in a cliff-jumped, England-controlled UK would be worse.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 2:35 pm
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Agree with above. Cherry picking existing policies and rules, then frustration with “no respect” isn’t serous or realistic. The onus is on the UK, not EU.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 2:49 pm
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Really hate the "respect" thing, it's so juvenile, and it emotionally charged up the anti-EU brigade to spite their faces even further. This is the May team at their most pernicious, desperate to retain power at the expense of civil debate and negotiation progress. Once again, the tone could be so different.
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Originally Posted by Shard View Post
Really hate the "respect" thing, it's so juvenile, and it emotionally charged up the anti-EU brigade to spite their faces even further. This is the May team at their most pernicious, desperate to retain power at the expense of civil debate and negotiation progress. Once again, the tone could be so different.
​​​​​​It's true though. When you have unelected European bureaucrats using Twitter and Instagram to take the piss, that doesn't really set the right tone for a mature and responsible political debate.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 3:02 pm
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​​​​​​It's true though. When you have unelected European bureaucrats using Twitter and Instagram to take the piss, that doesn't really set the right tone for a mature and responsible political debate.
Poor old Tusk, he assumed the Brits had a developed sense of irony, but apparently not. Perhaps we should bomb Poland now.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 3:03 pm
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​​​​​​It's true though. When you have unelected European bureaucrats using Twitter and Instagram to take the piss, that doesn't really set the right tone for a mature and responsible political debate.
Not to question, but quite a bit of distasteful rhetoric coming from UKIP, right wing media, and anti-immigrant sentiment in the UK. EU reaction has probably been muted in comparison, if anything.
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Not to question, but quite a bit of distasteful rhetoric coming from UKIP, right wing media, and anti-immigrant sentiment in the UK. EU reaction has probably been muted in comparison, if anything.
I don't remember our politicians mocking theirs for cheap 'we're down with the kids' points via social media. There's been quite a fair bit of that from the European side though.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 3:12 pm
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​​​​​​It's true though. When you have unelected European bureaucrats using Twitter and Instagram to take the piss, that doesn't really set the right tone for a mature and responsible political debate.
Which unelected bureaucrats?

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I don't remember our politicians mocking theirs for cheap 'we're down with the kids' points via social media. There's been quite a fair bit of that from the European side though.
Evidence? Or are these just media claims?
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 3:16 pm
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Which unelected bureaucrats?

Evidence? Or are these just media claims?
Tusk and Verhofstadt are just 2 of them.
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I don't remember our politicians mocking theirs for cheap 'we're down with the kids' points via social media. There's been quite a fair bit of that from the European side though.
Probably true on both sides. Social media has never been the ideal platform for sharing serious thoughts and positions on highly charged issues as this.
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Probably true on both sides. Social media has never been the ideal platform for sharing serious thoughts and positions on highly charged issues as this.
I agree. Unfortunately the US president doesn't and others now seem to be following that example.
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I don't remember our politicians mocking theirs for cheap 'we're down with the kids' points via social media. There's been quite a fair bit of that from the European side though.
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 3:52 pm
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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
I don't remember our politicians mocking theirs for cheap 'we're down with the kids' points via social media. There's been quite a fair bit of that from the European side though.
Just google : UK politicians insulting EU ... it might surprise you
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Old Sep 24th 2018, 3:55 pm
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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
Tusk and Verhofstadt are just 2 of them.
Donald Tusk is President of the European Council of Ministers, who are the Heads of State or government of each EU member country. The President is elected by qualified majority voting by those Heads of State, and ratified by the EU Parliament. EU Presidents

Guy Verhofstadt has been elected as an MEP for Belgium since 2009.

Your 2 examples of 'unelected bureaucrats' aren't factually correct, are they? They are both elected after all.

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