Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Oct 21st 2018, 12:08 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
Only 15.75 million to go to compare to the country's opinion of 17,410,742
Oct 21st 2018, 12:15 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by Annetje
Surely you agree with : No-one voted for this bloody shambles ?
It could be progressing quicker and with more clarity, but that's the problem of having remainers in charge of leaving and having a powerful elitist remainer 5th column lobby working with the EU to subvert the vote.
Oct 21st 2018, 2:33 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
It's not a shambles...
Oct 21st 2018, 4:25 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
Amd when you say "majority" you mean "minority" right?
And hardly silent, they haven't stopped their petulant crying and whinging since losing the vote.
And hardly silent, they haven't stopped their petulant crying and whinging since losing the vote.
Oct 21st 2018, 5:25 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by Richard8655
Results of multiple polls by YouGov this year have consistently shown Remain would defeat Leave in a 2nd referendum. The polling suggests that up to one million voters have had regrets and changed their minds. It makes sense, considering the ongoing exit chaos and dire economic consequences that are now apparent.
Oct 21st 2018, 6:12 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
It's not a shambles...
Oct 21st 2018, 6:22 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by Steerpike
Fair enough, but ... what did the opinion polls say BEFORE the Brexit vote ...? I seem to recall, a large 'remain' sentiment.
22 June 2016: Still no consistent picture
A final set of polls continues to give an unclear picture of the referendum outcome.
The gap between internet and telephone polls, which has been a feature throughout the campaign, still seems to be present.
Three online polls and one telephone poll have been released today.
Online polls by Opinium, TNS and YouGov are close to a dead heat. The single phone poll by ComRes gives Remain a modest lead.
Opinium and TNS put Leave ahead by very narrow margins: one point and two points respectively. YouGov also has the result practically neck and neck.
A final set of polls continues to give an unclear picture of the referendum outcome.
The gap between internet and telephone polls, which has been a feature throughout the campaign, still seems to be present.
Three online polls and one telephone poll have been released today.
Online polls by Opinium, TNS and YouGov are close to a dead heat. The single phone poll by ComRes gives Remain a modest lead.
Opinium and TNS put Leave ahead by very narrow margins: one point and two points respectively. YouGov also has the result practically neck and neck.
Oct 21st 2018, 6:41 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
Only 15.75 million to go to compare to the country's opinion of 17,410,742
Oct 21st 2018, 6:58 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by BristolUK
How many do you think would turn up at a "we already voted and we stand by our 'leave' vote" rally?
Got the same coverage time on the BBC I've been told.
Oct 21st 2018, 7:38 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by Annetje
Nige had his ''get together'' LEAVE MEANS LEAVE in Harrogate (who voted remain). Think I posted a Sky video from 1 of his fans.
Oct 21st 2018, 7:44 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
Only 15.75 million to go to compare to the country's opinion of 17,410,742
Say there was to be a second refererendum (Leave/Remain) at what % Remain do you think it would be reasonable to favour the second vote over the first. At 52% Remain it would be tricky, 55% Remain? 65%% 75% 90% ? Where would you set the bar?
Oct 21st 2018, 7:53 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by Shard
What about the 16,141,241, do they have right to say something?
Say there was to be a second refererendum (Leave/Remain) at what % Remain do you think it would be reasonable to favour the second vote over the first. At 52% Remain it would be tricky, 55% Remain? 65%% 75% 90% ? Where would you set the bar?
Say there was to be a second refererendum (Leave/Remain) at what % Remain do you think it would be reasonable to favour the second vote over the first. At 52% Remain it would be tricky, 55% Remain? 65%% 75% 90% ? Where would you set the bar?
There will not be a second vote, nor should there be.
Oct 21st 2018, 8:00 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
They have the right and indeed obligation to accept democracy.
There will not be a second vote, nor should there be.
There will not be a second vote, nor should there be.
You could answer my hypothetical if your mind is not too closed.
Oct 21st 2018, 8:02 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by Shard
Likewise. The weekend demonstration was a call for a democratic vote. Such things are not fixed in stone, despite the opportunistic Leavers desire to frame it that way.
You could answer my hypothetical if your mind is not too closed.
You could answer my hypothetical if your mind is not too closed.
There's no need - I'm not a great fan of referendums.
Keep up the ad-hom, it makes you look so much more intellectual.
Oct 21st 2018, 8:08 pm
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Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
The democratic vote needs to be enacted before a future change can be made.
There's no need - I'm not a great fan of referendums.
Keep up the ad-hom, it makes you look so much more intellectual.
There's no need - I'm not a great fan of referendums.
Keep up the ad-hom, it makes you look so much more intellectual.
Whether you're a fan of referendums or not is irrelevant. We had one, and there's an outside possibility of another. The question is designed to make you think, but if you don't have the capacity to do so, I won't hold it against you. You're set in your ways and see things in black and white, and that's fine.
