Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc
#151

Options now seems to be:
Norway - includes FOM
Canada - no FOM but NI is cut off by sea border
No Deal - sorry face, need to cut off nose
Well done Theresa.
Norway - includes FOM
Canada - no FOM but NI is cut off by sea border
No Deal - sorry face, need to cut off nose
Well done Theresa.

#152

It will be the Canada option then I think. Tbh if we really must have an open land border with the Republic then a border separating NI from the rest of the UK wouldn't be the worst thing anyway.

#154

She specifically ruled out any kind of border between NI and the rest of the UK in her speech.

#155

FOM is not an option - doesn't respect the referendum - so no Norway.
Any border between NI and RUK is out - so no Canada.
No deal - this would involve a hard border between NI and The Republic - but there's little we can do about that.
What a bloody, unholy, and entirely predictable, mess.
How come we could all see this coming but the politicos and leavers couldn't?

#156

None of us will ever get a referendum on anything unless the government of the day says so.
The fact that you and others didn't like what I had to say and my side won more votes than yours isn't really my fault.
You voted Leave, I fully accept they had more votes than Remain did, now own it. Everything that's happened since is down to the Leave vote. Don't blame Remain for that. If the government hasn't made the Brexit you want, deal with it.

#157

Yes, she did, but she's in denial about what she can achieve. The EU keeps saying no cherry picking, and Britain keeps going back with cherry picked deals. It does seem to be heading toward an impasse, in which the UK will have to accept the options that the EU stipulate. In which case, it's least worst option time.

#158

She has effectively ruled out the first two in her speech.
FOM is not an option - doesn't respect the referendum - so no Norway.
Any border between NI and RUK is out - so no Canada.
No deal - this would involve a hard border between NI and The Republic - but there's little we can do about that.
What a bloody, unholy, and entirely predictable, mess.
How come we could all see this coming but the politicos and leavers couldn't?
FOM is not an option - doesn't respect the referendum - so no Norway.
Any border between NI and RUK is out - so no Canada.
No deal - this would involve a hard border between NI and The Republic - but there's little we can do about that.
What a bloody, unholy, and entirely predictable, mess.
How come we could all see this coming but the politicos and leavers couldn't?

#159

She has effectively ruled out the first two in her speech.
FOM is not an option - doesn't respect the referendum - so no Norway.
Any border between NI and RUK is out - so no Canada.
No deal - this would involve a hard border between NI and The Republic - but there's little we can do about that.
FOM is not an option - doesn't respect the referendum - so no Norway.
Any border between NI and RUK is out - so no Canada.
No deal - this would involve a hard border between NI and The Republic - but there's little we can do about that.
Will anyone trust any future agreements the UK has signed, whenever a Tory government's in office?
How come we could all see this coming but the politicos and leavers couldn't?
I think many Tories and some of the public were just hoping the EU would roll over and let the UK have whatever it wanted as a Leaving gift. EU rules don't work that way. Again, something most Remainers knew.

#160

It's amazing how emotional the Leave/Maybot language has become. Being offended, feeling bullied, not going to be pushed around etc.. This is an international negotiation, these themes should not be raised by the press, let alone the government. Crybaby Theresa should stand down and let someone else try and sort the mess out.

#161

Best Brexit news in a long, long time. Evidently the EU learnt nothing from Cameron’s “renegotiation” otherwise they would’ve welcomed locking the UK into Chequers with open arms. Now we’re where we should’ve been 18 months ago and negotiating a Canada plus deal. It’s mind boggling that they still think they can bounce the UK into a second referendum. Expect a five minutes to midnight deal where miraculously the Irish border problem isn’t so much of a problem after all when Merkel and Macron are faced with the reality of a £39 billion budget deficit.

#162

Best Brexit news in a long, long time. Evidently the EU learnt nothing from Cameron’s “renegotiation” otherwise they would’ve welcomed locking the UK into Chequers with open arms. Now we’re where we should’ve been 18 months ago and negotiating a Canada plus deal. It’s mind boggling that they still think they can bounce the UK into a second referendum. Expect a five minutes to midnight deal where miraculously the Irish border problem isn’t so much of a problem after all when Merkel and Macron are faced with the reality of a £39 billion budget deficit.

#163

I don't see how the UK can withold £39BN. These are legal obligations which the EU would pursue. Failure to pay would trigger enormous badwill in Europe and create a very tarnished image for the UK on future international negotiations. The "go whistle" option is merely posturing to inflate the Leavers sense of indignation. At best the amount could be disputed to some lower (or higher) level, but the UK cannot and would not walk away from international financial and treaty obligations.

#164

It's not only the EU that wants to "bounce" the UK into a second referendum, it's many UK citizens too. Even a UK political party. This is another portrayal of the EU as a big bad bully. Whether the UK should have a srcise referendum is a perfectly reasonable debate.
