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Old Oct 18th 2018, 2:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
He's lagging behind the rest of the remedial class, who were long ago schooled on the matter of Leave / Remain not being a right / left thing and managed to actually absorb it.

DG still lapses into calling all remainers leftists. And commies.
"Libtards". Don't forget "libtards".

Also, how does anyone manage to frame up the entirely capitalist EU as a "commie" system???
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Old Oct 18th 2018, 2:31 pm
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
"Libtards". Don't forget "libtards".
Indeed - he managed to get that one in again yesterday, I think. His bingo card is always pretty much full up.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Also, how does anyone manage to frame up the entirely capitalist EU as a "commie" system???
Search me.

Sheer bloody ignorance is the obvious answer. And filling of heads with tabloid shite, even if it doesn't come directly in that form.

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Old Oct 18th 2018, 4:17 pm
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
Indeed - he managed to get that one in again yesterday, I think. His bingo card is always pretty much full up.


Search me.

Sheer bloody ignorance is the obvious answer. And filling of heads with tabloid shite, even if it doesn't come directly in that form.
I can assure you that I do not read tabloids and I go off my own opinions only. I don't need politicians, celebrities and journalists to tell me what to think.

Ignorance is normally what I attribute to the hardcore Remain supporters if I'm honest.
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Old Oct 18th 2018, 4:20 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
I hate it when I'm right
Well lucky for you then, I doubt you have ever been right about anything in your life.
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Old Oct 18th 2018, 5:07 pm
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Well lucky for you then, I doubt you have ever been right about anything in your life.
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Old Oct 18th 2018, 6:33 pm
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
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The UK never lost it's sovereignty, according to a Brexit White Paper.
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As others have suggested, 'Sovereignty' is a loose concept for most people. Would it not be a fair interpretation to say that, if being a member of the EU requires UK to implement certain farm policies, or certain pollution controls (to choose some simple, non-controversial examples) then those decisions are being 'forced' on the UK and thus represent a loss of 'sovereignty'?
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Old Oct 18th 2018, 6:35 pm
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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
I can assure you that I do not read tabloids and I go off my own opinions only. I don't need politicians, celebrities and journalists to tell me what to think.

Ignorance is normally what I attribute to the hardcore Remain supporters if I'm honest.
Proof if needed of the declining knowledge of the Facecrap, twatter generation...
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Old Oct 18th 2018, 6:40 pm
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Proof if needed of the declining knowledge of the Facecrap, twatter generation...
If you mean me then I don't use either.

I thought all the kids were supposed to be Remain backers though?
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Old Oct 18th 2018, 6:47 pm
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
Let me put it into simple terms that even you should be able to understand.

Born in the UK = OK.
Not born in the UK = Not OK.

Ethnicity and religious beliefs do not come into it.
So if two British citizens stationed abroad for whatever reason give birth to a child while abroad, then return to Britain when their posting is over (let's say when the child is 1 year old), that child - even though clearly a British citizen - should not be allowed to attain high government office? How could a 1-year stint in a foreign country constitute a conflict of interest?

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Old Oct 18th 2018, 6:54 pm
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Default Re: Politics of Chequers, No Deal, etc

Originally Posted by Steerpike View Post
As others have suggested, 'Sovereignty' is a loose concept for most people. Would it not be a fair interpretation to say that, if being a member of the EU requires UK to implement certain farm policies, or certain pollution controls (to choose some simple, non-controversial examples) then those decisions are being 'forced' on the UK and thus represent a loss of 'sovereignty'?
In a literal sense, yes, but if such policies would be undertaken anyway, then you have to consider "being forced" as a semantic trick. Even if there variance, then the question becomes whether that variance is significant or not. Example: if you work in an law office, you may be "forced" (by convention) to wear a suit, but if you would choose to wear one anyway (to meet client expectations) then are you really forced.

Those who scream sovereignty believe that 'every man is an island' (to torture the idiom) and that by gaining a clearer right to decision making that they can improve their lot. The reality is different. If we don't forge and compromise on EU rules, we'll be accepting US rules or Chinese rules as a minor member. Although we will be able to start playing big shot with some of the smaller members of the Commonwealth. And for those small member Brexiteers, that may be important.
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Old Oct 18th 2018, 7:02 pm
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State governor is not part of the federal government. Name a foreign born president, vice president or senator and you will have proved me wrong.
Current senators:
  • Colorado Senator Michael Bennet.
  • Texas Senator Ted Cruz.
  • Hawaii Senator Mazie Hirono.
  • Illinois Senator Tammy Duckworth.
  • Maryland Senator Chris Van Hollen.

List of all foreign-born senators, past and present: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

Note this list includes Senator John McCain who was born in Panama. His 'right' to be president was challenged when he ran for president but for reasons I no longer recall, his right was confirmed.
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Originally Posted by Steerpike View Post
Current senators:
  • Colorado Senator Michael Bennet.
  • Texas Senator Ted Cruz.
  • Hawaii Senator Mazie Hirono.
  • Illinois Senator Tammy Duckworth.
  • Maryland Senator Chris Van Hollen.

List of all foreign-born senators, past and present: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

Note this list includes Senator John McCain who was born in Panama. His 'right' to be president was challenged when he ran for president but for reasons I no longer recall, his right was confirmed.

And then of course there were those other powerless people, like Henry Kissinger.
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Being born outside the US doesn’t prevent you from holding the office of President. ‘Natural born’ includes those born aboard to US citizen parents like Ted Cruz. If you’re a naturalised citizen, like Arnold Schwarzenegger, then you are excluded.
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Being born outside the US doesn’t prevent you from holding the office of President. ‘Natural born’ includes those born aboard to US citizen parents like Ted Cruz. If you’re a naturalised citizen, like Arnold Schwarzenegger, then you are excluded.
Right. If you are born of US citizens then where you were born doesn't matter.

If you are a first generation immigrant and become a US citizen in your own right, or derive it as a child by arriving as a first-generation immigrant but have parents who then naturalized, you may be a governor, senator, congressman/woman (both state and federal), judge, etc etc.

We have and have had a number of people in high office in this latter category. All those listed under "naturalization" or "derivation" were not US citizens at birth.

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_f...es_politicians

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Old Oct 18th 2018, 7:39 pm
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As others have suggested, 'Sovereignty' is a loose concept for most people. Would it not be a fair interpretation to say that, if being a member of the EU requires UK to implement certain farm policies, or certain pollution controls (to choose some simple, non-controversial examples) then those decisions are being 'forced' on the UK and thus represent a loss of 'sovereignty'?
That would represent pooled or shared sovereignty....
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