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Old Oct 16th 2020, 8:34 am
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Slightly conflicted on this one...some rule-flouters decide to hold their wedding against Covid rules (wrong) but is it really necessary to have the police turn up and break it up ?? Couldn't this be dealt with by some hefty fines and locked doors after the fact.

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Couldn't this be dealt with by some hefty fines and locked doors after the fact.
Maybe. Maximum fines are unlikely to apply to first offenders and organisers/hosts might decide that there's a good chance they will get away with it completely or, if caught, have a more nominal fine.

Perhaps something like this will shock people into behaving. Of course it only works if people like Cummings are made to pay too so that there is consistency.
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We started off with fines and education on public health, but still people and organizations refused, so over time the province upped the enforcement, and eventually gave police powers to enforce public health regulations, so now police go and break up these sorts of things and issue fines, but people can't say they were not warned, BC Gov't has many times given people more than one opportunity to listen before going heavy handed.

One thing I have realized during this pandemic, a good chunk of the population is uncooperative and doesn't care about anything beyond their individual lives.
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Slightly conflicted on this one...some rule-flouters decide to hold their wedding against Covid rules (wrong) but is it really necessary to have the police turn up and break it up ?? Couldn't this be dealt with by some hefty fines and locked doors after the fact. ....
But unless they've been living under a rock, the pandemic and resulting restrictions aren't exactly hot news. ..... In fact "the news" hasn't been much other than "covid news" since March!

On the other hand I am increasingly of the view that the genie is out of the bottle and trying to enforce restrictions on the entire population when clearly a very large minority, maybe even a majority, are resistant to it is an exercise in futility.

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Maybe. Maximum fines are unlikely to apply to first offenders and organisers/hosts might decide that there's a good chance they will get away with it completely or, if caught, have a more nominal fine.

Perhaps something like this will shock people into behaving. Of course it only works if people like Cummings are made to pay too so that there is consistency.
Why drag Cummigs into it, other than you don't like him. He didn't break the law.
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Why drag Cummigs into it, other than you don't like him. He didn't break the law.
He broke the same special covid rules, but the police just decided not to take retrospective action. You know, after the event as opposed to during like the action in this case.

But the main reason for dragging Cummings into it was because at the time a major point was about how a bad example was set about "rules not applying to me" and the effect this would have in future examples of people deciding they could flout the rules.
Seriously, is it not blindingly obvious what the connection is? You missed that?

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He broke the same special covid rules, but the police just decided not to take retrospective action. You know, after the event as posed to during like the action in this case.

But the main reason for dragging Cummings into it was because at the time a major point was about how a bad example was set about "rules not applying to me" and the effect this would have in future examples of people deciding they could flout the rules.
Seriously, is it not blindingly obvious what the connection is? You missed that?
KJMW might take a while to answer that question, he'll have to go for a long drive first
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But unless they've been living under a rock, the pandemic and resulting restrictions aren't exactly hot news. ..... In fact "the news" hasn't been much other than "covid news" since March!

On the other hand I am increasingly of the view that the genie is out of the bottle and trying to enforce restrictions on the entire population when clearly a very large minority, maybe even a majority, are resistant to it is an exercise in futility.
Yep, the genie is out of the bottle. People have had enough, they're not taking it anymore and are now rebelling against further seemingly endless restrictions. And it's now obvious to all but the most closed-minded that further lock downs and oppressive restrictions will have worse effects than those the restrictions are seeking to avoid.
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Why drag Cummigs into it, other than you don't like him. He didn't break the law.
It's an unhealthy obsession.
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It's an unhealthy obsession.
You missed the obvious connection too?
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You missed the obvious connection too?
Not so much missed as ignored for ideological reasons. That is the selective filter that faithful idealogues apply to protect their world view (or their dupes' world view in the case of the manipulators) from shattering into a million pieces.
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He broke the same special covid rules, but the police just decided not to take retrospective action. You know, after the event as opposed to during like the action in this case.

But the main reason for dragging Cummings into it was because at the time a major point was about how a bad example was set about "rules not applying to me" and the effect this would have in future examples of people deciding they could flout the rules.
Seriously, is it not blindingly obvious what the connection is? You missed that?
He set a bad example!!!!!!! He didn't break any laws. Your example is one of being biased against someone, should that be punished? Plus he didn't break any 'covid rules' look them up for the period. Future examples etc. Pure bullsh-t! Get over it, he didn't break any rules legal or otherwise.
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I think the issue is the lack of logicality, currently watching my Football team, not much in the way of spectators but none of the players are wearing masks or keeping 6ft separation.
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
Yep, the genie is out of the bottle. People have had enough, they're not taking it anymore and are now rebelling against further seemingly endless restrictions. And it's now obvious to all but the most closed-minded that further lock downs and oppressive restrictions will have worse effects than those the restrictions are seeking to avoid.
This is a pernicious line of reasoning that is given way too much air time. We simply do not know whether the impact of restrictions will be worse than not having them. Scientists are divided on it. And of course the real issue here is that the proof may not come until the virus has spread our of control. For example, were the virus to infect 20 million in Britain, and the consequent deaths and long-Covid, would that not be worse than the temporary economic/health impact of lock downs? Lock downs are simply a preventative measure aimed at buying time.
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