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Old Aug 14th 2012, 9:08 pm
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This line got me: "Once a large number of citizens get their health care from the state, it dramatically alters their attachment to government." I often see this touted as a reason for not improving the health care system here in the US. Eg Some people don't want the government involved/determining their healthcare, but they are quite happy to have their insurance company dictating what type of health care and coverage they get. When I've raised that point I get a look of "I don't understand what you are getting at."

It really is scary the amount of twisting, turning, misinterpretation and scaremongering politicians do in order to get a vote.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...&utm_hp_ref=uk
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I don't get it.

Don't think I ever will.
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*dumb-founded*

Wow.

I'm approaching an apoloplectic rage. I'm not going to say anything more. Needless to say this could be my entry for "Things that have pissed me off today".

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The sad thing is, it most often comes from people who don't understand how it works and how it would improve their lives and are the ones who are most affected by the status quo at the moment.

Either that, or they're already getting government assistance for working for the government, old, in the military etc.
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I don't get it, Free health care that is.
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It's not really surprising considering the political narrative of American exceptionalism that is espoused by politicians here, especially the Republicans. To admit that another country did something better than America, particularly a European one with their dirty, filthy socialism would be political suicide.
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Originally Posted by Ka Ora! View Post
I don't get it, Free health care that is.
Does anyone?
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Originally Posted by Sue View Post
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Its misdirection and the guise of the vote inorder to execute an ulterior motive are the real problems. The hardest thing for many is to think about thinking!! The biggest threat to any gov't is an educated populous and the best weapon to use is fragmentation and disorganization (of the population). Fear is the greatest motivator to get someone to do (or not do) something; an acorn will grow into an oak tree - you start with why (we) should be afraid of something and let the general mass nurture for themselves the acorn to a sapling and then into a tree and thus it becomes unchallenged and solid standing.
Bottom line its all to do with money - there are those who stand to lose a tremendous amount of money if there is nationalized health. So, you spend effort informing us why (we) should be afraid of something rather than identifying the problem and concentrating on viable solutions - all the while a select few will benefit at the cost of the many (and use the guise of our vote to do so!).

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Originally Posted by Ka Ora! View Post
I don't get it, Free health care that is.
It's not "free" health care" but "socialised" health care based on need and not the ability to pay.

Re. the Huffington post article, the English NHS is on a totally different course from that of the Scottish NHS, the former is being driven in the direction of integrating the private sector and the tax supported sector while the latter is excluding the private sector. Though both health services aim to provide socialised health care.
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Originally Posted by MacScot View Post
It's not "free" health care" but "socialised" health care based on need and not the ability to pay.

Re. the Huffington post article, the English NHS is on a totally different course from that of the Scottish NHS, the former is being driven in the direction of integrating the private sector and the tax supported sector while the latter is excluding the private sector. Though both health services aim to provide socialised health care.
I think he meant literally.
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I don't get it.

Don't think I ever will.
It is extremely simple. Follow the money. The Health Insurers have a big lobby and make large political donations.
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It is extremely simple. Follow the money. The Health Insurers have a big lobby and make large political donations.
The thing I don't get is why most Americans think it's the best system in the world.
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The thing I don't get is why most Americans think it's the best system in the world.
Brainwashing.

There was a time, in the UK when almost everyone thought that the class system actually did delineate between superior and inferior people. They were brainwashed too.
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Brainwashing.

There was a time, in the UK when almost everyone thought that the class system actually did delineate between superior and inferior people. They were brainwashed too.
In the run-up to Prince William's wedding, some twit on British TV was saying that having a royal family was good, as it represented a meritocracy.
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In the run-up to Prince William's wedding, some twit on British TV was saying that having a royal family was good, as it represented a meritocracy.
I missed that. Oh, humanity...
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