Open Borders ?
Jul 6th 2017, 1:54 pm
#31
Resident Cynic
Joined: Aug 2013
Location: Suffolk,UK; Alentejo, Portugal
Posts: 9,996
Re: Open Borders ?
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
My money's on the uniforms.
Btw, I heard an interesting definition the other day.
Patriotism = love of one's own and respect for others
Nationalism = love of one's own and the fear and loathing of others.
Btw, I heard an interesting definition the other day.
Patriotism = love of one's own and respect for others
Nationalism = love of one's own and the fear and loathing of others.
Jul 6th 2017, 1:55 pm
#32
Reasonable Bitch
Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Mallorca
Posts: 19,273
Re: Open Borders ?
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
I think Dickie and Vex's heads must be spinning by now trying to identify the enemy.
OK, well, nobody's been able to quantify anything tangible, but we know there's problems.
OK, we want to believe there's problems.
Alright, well, maybe there's no real problem, but it's just a "bad feeling". It is the EU after all. And that's a crumbling mess.
OK. The EU might not be crumbling, but it's a mess.
Well, OK, maybe it's not a mess, but it's bad.
All right, maybe not all that bad, but we have a bad feeling about it.
OK, well, we voted to leave, so quit moaning about how bad it is, you moaners.
Jul 6th 2017, 8:43 pm
#33
On the road again.
Thread Starter
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: On Top of the World
Posts: 17,507
Re: Open Borders ?
From the Guardian....
"Is the Schengen dream of Europe without borders becoming a thing of the past?
With Sweden and Denmark reintroducing border controls in a new Europe of razor-wire fences, fear of mass immigration and homegrown terror, obituaries are already being written"
"Is the Schengen dream of Europe without borders becoming a thing of the past?
With Sweden and Denmark reintroducing border controls in a new Europe of razor-wire fences, fear of mass immigration and homegrown terror, obituaries are already being written"
Jul 6th 2017, 9:26 pm
#34
Polished expat
Joined: Jul 2014
Location: Arcos de Valdevez "Onde Portugal se fez"
Posts: 15,098
Re: Open Borders ?
It's a bit stale that one now, Dicky old chum. January 2016. Distinctly whiffy.
Tell me something though, now you're here. Do you think the UK is safer and more secure than most of the EU? And does it not keep you awake at night that anyone can arrive in Wales or Scotland and simply walk into England?
Tell me something though, now you're here. Do you think the UK is safer and more secure than most of the EU? And does it not keep you awake at night that anyone can arrive in Wales or Scotland and simply walk into England?
Jul 6th 2017, 10:27 pm
#35
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 6,313
Re: Open Borders ?
Originally Posted by Red Eric
It's a bit stale that one now, Dicky old chum. January 2016. Distinctly whiffy.
Tell me something though, now you're here. Do you think the UK is safer and more secure than most of the EU? And does it not keep you awake at night that anyone can arrive in Wales or Scotland and simply walk into England?
Tell me something though, now you're here. Do you think the UK is safer and more secure than most of the EU? And does it not keep you awake at night that anyone can arrive in Wales or Scotland and simply walk into England?
Jul 6th 2017, 10:57 pm
#36
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Jun 2013
Location: (Ex Liguria)
Posts: 1,824
Re: Open Borders ?
Shit, hadn't been back for many years, around 112 there were various attempts made to stop the little rascals getting into England, and it is easier today. Shit, don't we have machine guns and nukes these days.
Burning pitch was always considered dangerous for the operators so I can understand why nukes would be so very much better against the celts in skirts or those singing in the valleys. Probably reduce their footy and rugby efforts against us too!
Burning pitch was always considered dangerous for the operators so I can understand why nukes would be so very much better against the celts in skirts or those singing in the valleys. Probably reduce their footy and rugby efforts against us too!
Jul 6th 2017, 10:58 pm
#37
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Jun 2013
Location: (Ex Liguria)
Posts: 1,824
Re: Open Borders ?
As for the latest on the Med Immigration situation, Italians don't have the balls to close their ports!!!!
Or repatriate the "Illegals" for that matter, the mafia just might call in the debt!!!
Or repatriate the "Illegals" for that matter, the mafia just might call in the debt!!!
Jul 7th 2017, 1:10 am
#38
Account Closed
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 26,319
Re: Open Borders ?
Originally Posted by Bipat
If the EU had made a proper plan regarding reception and placement of refugees there would have been less problems. I don't think refugees can select a country and insist on going only there in the first instance, however each country should honour a plan to house an appropriate number.
David Cameron promised to take in 20,000 Syrian refugees
The UK response to the Syrian refugee crisis
Other new resettlement schemes
In addition to the VPRP, the Government committed itself to providing resettlement for up to 3,000 vulnerable children (and family members) from conflict situations in the Middle East and North Africa region. A further scheme was introduced by section 67 of the Immigration Act 2016 (known as ‘the Dubs amendment’), which required the Government to relocate and support an unspecified number of unaccompanied refugee children currently in Europe. Neither of these schemes are limited to Syrian nationals.
On 8 February 2017 the Government announced the number of unaccompanied children to be relocated under section 67 will be capped at 350. The decision prompted criticism from Lord Dubs, opposition parties and campaigners. It was reversed two months later, with Home Office ministers blaming an 'administrative error' for their not taking up local authorities' offers to resettle a further 130 children.
In addition to the VPRP, the Government committed itself to providing resettlement for up to 3,000 vulnerable children (and family members) from conflict situations in the Middle East and North Africa region. A further scheme was introduced by section 67 of the Immigration Act 2016 (known as ‘the Dubs amendment’), which required the Government to relocate and support an unspecified number of unaccompanied refugee children currently in Europe. Neither of these schemes are limited to Syrian nationals.
On 8 February 2017 the Government announced the number of unaccompanied children to be relocated under section 67 will be capped at 350. The decision prompted criticism from Lord Dubs, opposition parties and campaigners. It was reversed two months later, with Home Office ministers blaming an 'administrative error' for their not taking up local authorities' offers to resettle a further 130 children.
Jul 7th 2017, 6:56 am
#39
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Jun 2013
Location: (Ex Liguria)
Posts: 1,824
Re: Open Borders ?
As already suggested elsewhere, They (the EU) should run a high profile publicity campaign in the African countries that are involved. It should show the reality, women working the streets and country lanes. The men selling drugs and contraband sleeping in cardboard boxes or makeshift shelters. The children, half of which disappear into pedo activities or donors of organs.
Of course those that are already in the EU cannot phone home in disgrace admitting that their lives are even more of a crock than before they left.
Further, the money they spend getting to Europe and the debts and obbligations they get into would be much more wisely spent on an activity in their country of provenance.
Of course those that are already in the EU cannot phone home in disgrace admitting that their lives are even more of a crock than before they left.
Further, the money they spend getting to Europe and the debts and obbligations they get into would be much more wisely spent on an activity in their country of provenance.
Jul 7th 2017, 7:47 am
#40
Heading for Poppyland
Joined: Jul 2007
Location: North Norfolk and northern New York State
Posts: 13,048
Re: Open Borders ?
Originally Posted by Maybe1day
As already suggested elsewhere, They (the EU) should run a high profile publicity campaign in the African countries that are involved. It should show the reality, women working the streets and country lanes. The men selling drugs and contraband sleeping in cardboard boxes or makeshift shelters. The children, half of which disappear into pedo activities or donors of organs.
Of course those that are already in the EU cannot phone home in disgrace admitting that their lives are even more of a crock than before they left.
Further, the money they spend getting to Europe and the debts and obbligations they get into would be much more wisely spent on an activity in their country of provenance.
Of course those that are already in the EU cannot phone home in disgrace admitting that their lives are even more of a crock than before they left.
Further, the money they spend getting to Europe and the debts and obbligations they get into would be much more wisely spent on an activity in their country of provenance.
More important, yes, a number of people die en route or end up in very bad situations. But a proportion succeed, get a home and a job (however inadequate) and end up sending regular remittances home. This is what is going to persuade a young person to make the journey - he's heard of one or more families in his village or wider circle, who receive money orders from Germany (or wherever.)
Jul 7th 2017, 8:51 am
#41
On the road again.
Thread Starter
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: On Top of the World
Posts: 17,507
Re: Open Borders ?
Basically open borders and Schengen are already a part of history and exist only in the dilusional minds of the likes of Junckers, Merkel, as we see ever more controls imposed on the Continent.
Just a crying shame that so much damage and suffering have been caused by yet another catastrophic failed Eu policy.
Just a crying shame that so much damage and suffering have been caused by yet another catastrophic failed Eu policy.
Jul 7th 2017, 9:40 am
#42
Polished expat
Joined: Jul 2014
Location: Arcos de Valdevez "Onde Portugal se fez"
Posts: 15,098
Re: Open Borders ?
You didn't actually read the Guardian article you referred to above, did you?
Here it is in its entirety. No cheating, now.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-of-the-past
Here it is in its entirety. No cheating, now.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-of-the-past
Jul 7th 2017, 10:14 am
#43
Reasonable Bitch
Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Mallorca
Posts: 19,273
Re: Open Borders ?
It appears Dicky boy has been enjoying his "breakfast of champions" again.
Jul 7th 2017, 10:24 am
#44
EU hoo
Joined: Jan 2014
Location: émigré of nowhere
Posts: 1,954
Re: Open Borders ?
To be fair to Dick, should hundreds of thousands of Somalis and Eritreans be dinghying up to the shores of Wales and Scotland, rather than Italy and Greece, he would most likely be shouting loudest for razor wire fencing to go up along Hadrian's Wall and Offa's Dyke.
Probably not so for Cornwall, because although celtic, it's still a part of Little England, therefore our problem and to be dealt with by machine-guns.
Probably not so for Cornwall, because although celtic, it's still a part of Little England, therefore our problem and to be dealt with by machine-guns.
Last edited by iano; Jul 7th 2017 at 10:26 am.
Jul 7th 2017, 3:54 pm
#45
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Jun 2013
Location: (Ex Liguria)
Posts: 1,824
Re: Open Borders ?
Somalians should go to next door Somaliland no problems there! As for Eritreans they are more than welcome as refugees even Spain lets those in that arrive on its Granada and Malaga coasts.
