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Old Mar 4th 2021, 3:51 pm
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I was a little gobsmacked to read the contents of the AstroZeneka Vaccine.. (my bold).. posted it here as many will have opposing views on it

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ne-astrazeneca

What COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca contains

One dose (0.5 ml) contains: COVID 19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S* recombinant) 5 × 10^10 viral particles

*Recombinant, replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike glycoprotein. Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells.

This product contains genetically modified organisms (GMOs).

The other excipients are:
  • L-histidine
  • L-histidine hydrochloride monohydrate
  • magnesium chloride hexahydrate
  • polysorbate 80
  • ethanol
  • sucrose
  • sodium chloride
  • disodium edetate dihydrate
  • water for injections
(for the contents and potential side effects of other Covid vaccines see here: https://www.gov.uk/government/public...vid-19-vaccine)
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Originally Posted by Siouxie View Post
I was a little gobsmacked to read the contents of the AstroZeneka Vaccine.. (my bold).. posted it here as many will have opposing views on it

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ne-astrazeneca

What COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca contains

One dose (0.5 ml) contains: COVID 19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S* recombinant) 5 × 10^10 viral particles

*Recombinant, replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike glycoprotein. Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells.

This product contains genetically modified organisms (GMOs).

The other excipients are:
  • L-histidine
  • L-histidine hydrochloride monohydrate
  • magnesium chloride hexahydrate
  • polysorbate 80
  • ethanol
  • sucrose
  • sodium chloride
  • disodium edetate dihydrate
  • water for injections
(for the contents and potential side effects of other Covid vaccines see here: https://www.gov.uk/government/public...vid-19-vaccine)

*** Recombinant. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombinant_DNA


The others are excipients (ingredients) are mainly sugars and salt derivatives.


It's not having an opposing view, it's having undeniable scientific fact as opposed to you inserting lies with a * attached

But hey whatever you want to imagine, I still believe that gamma radiation will turn you into the Hulk.

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Old Mar 4th 2021, 5:04 pm
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*** Recombinant. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombinant_DNA


The others are excipients (ingredients) are mainly sugars and salt derivatives.


It's not having an opposing view, it's having undeniable scientific fact as opposed to you inserting lies with a * attached

But hey whatever you want to imagine, I still believe that gamma radiation will turn you into the Hulk.
Excuse me?? I quoted directly from the UK Government website - I'm not the one telling any lies - if there are any in that report - I just said I was a bit gobsmacked to read the contents... https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ne-astrazeneca

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Originally Posted by Siouxie View Post
I was a little gobsmacked to read the contents of the AstroZeneka Vaccine.. (my bold).. posted it here as many will have opposing views on it

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ne-astrazeneca

What COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca contains

One dose (0.5 ml) contains: COVID 19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S* recombinant) 5 × 10^10 viral particles

*Recombinant, replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike glycoprotein. Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells.

This product contains genetically modified organisms (GMOs).

The other excipients are:
  • L-histidine
  • L-histidine hydrochloride monohydrate
  • magnesium chloride hexahydrate
  • polysorbate 80
  • ethanol
  • sucrose
  • sodium chloride
  • disodium edetate dihydrate
  • water for injections
(for the contents and potential side effects of other Covid vaccines see here: https://www.gov.uk/government/public...vid-19-vaccine)
...not going to encourage veggies and vegans is it?
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Originally Posted by Siouxie View Post
I was a little gobsmacked to read the contents of the AstroZeneka Vaccine.. (my bold).. posted it here as many will have opposing views on it

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ne-astrazeneca

What COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca contains

One dose (0.5 ml) contains: COVID 19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S* recombinant) 5 × 10^10 viral particles

*Recombinant, replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike glycoprotein. Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells.

This product contains genetically modified organisms (GMOs).

The other excipients are:
  • L-histidine
  • L-histidine hydrochloride monohydrate
  • magnesium chloride hexahydrate
  • polysorbate 80
  • ethanol
  • sucrose
  • sodium chloride
  • disodium edetate dihydrate
  • water for injections
(for the contents and potential side effects of other Covid vaccines see here: https://www.gov.uk/government/public...vid-19-vaccine)
The bits in bold - you do know that the vaccine doesn't contain bits of chimpanzee or human foetuses don't you?

Medical science is icky by its very nature and if you want to get squeamish about the origins of drugs then you'd never take any modern medicine as their origins will all use human and animal tissue for early testing and they will all have been tested on a range of animals before being deemed safe enough to give to humans. I suppose it presents an ethical dilemma for Buddhists and vegans, but they'll have worked out their position on this a long time ago.
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Excuse me?? I quoted directly from the UK Government website - I'm not the one telling any lies - if there are any in that report - I just said I was a bit gobsmacked to read the contents... https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ne-astrazeneca

But as above you deliberately emboldened parts to make it seem as though bits something it isn't.

It doesn't actually contain chimpanzee or human kidney, it's created synthetically in a lab.

Hence why I included an explanation of recombinant....
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But as above you deliberately emboldened parts to make it seem as though bits something it isn't.

It doesn't actually contain chimpanzee or human kidney, it's created synthetically in a lab.

Hence why I included an explanation of recombinant....
And there I was just trying to calculate the numbers of chimpanzees and human kidneys involved!

So penicillin isn't made of blue cheese - how disappointing!
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But as above you deliberately emboldened parts to make it seem as though bits something it isn't.

It doesn't actually contain chimpanzee or human kidney, it's created synthetically in a lab.

Hence why I included an explanation of recombinant....
Something along the same lines as this conversation made me chuckle (and shake my head at the ignorance) yesterday. Seems the Catholic church has taken umbrage at the J&J vaccine because the replicated cells taken from foetuses way back when were used in the development of the vaccine but they have been very quiet about the other two US vaccines, both of which used the replicated cells from the same source for testing purposes. (Apologies, my terminology is probably wrong and offensive to scientific brains, but I think I know what I mean... )
Anyhows, upshot is, I cannot fathom why are the flat-earther types are ok with using the material for testing and not R&D.

On a different note: my missus managed to grab an appointment this coming Tuesday for her first jab. Florida has made 1000 shots available for school employees over 50. Those appointments were taken pretty sharpish!!! She thinks that I will probably be eligible in FL in early April, which would be handy as SC is rolling out so slowly that it'll probably be next year before I reach eligibility and if our house closes on 8th April as it's expected to then I shall no longer be FL resident after that date.

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Something along the same lines as this conversation made me chuckle (and shake my head at the ignorance) yesterday. Seems the Catholic church has taken umbrage at the J&J vaccine because the replicated cells taken from foetuses way back when were used in the development of the vaccine but they have been very quiet about the other two US vaccines, both of which used the replicated cells from the same source for testing purposes. (Apologies, my terminology is probably wrong and offensive to scientific brains, but I think I know what I mean... )
Anyhows, upshot is, I cannot fathom why are the flat-earther types are ok with using the material for testing and not R&D.
I've seen the odd story about individuals in the Catholic church spouting off, but the Vatican's official position is that not only is it ok to have these vaccines, people have a moral obligation to have them.
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I don't really see how someone posting verbatim from a vaccine information package leaflet would be accused of posting lies, notwithstanding the words emboldened for emphasis.

This is what Siouxie posted....

What COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca contains

One dose (0.5 ml) contains: COVID 19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S* recombinant) 5 × 10^10 viral particles

*Recombinant, replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike glycoprotein. Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells.
Now - we very clever people might well know that the vaccine DOESN'T actually contain what that government release certainly appears to say it does, but many people won't realise that.

I'll bounce this off a vegan friend of mine and see what she says.
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I don't really see how someone posting verbatim from a vaccine information package leaflet would be accused of posting lies, notwithstanding the words emboldened for emphasis.

This is what Siouxie posted....



Now - we very clever people might well know that the vaccine DOESN'T actually contain what that government release certainly appears to say it does, but many people won't realise that.

I'll bounce this off a vegan friend of mine and see what she says.
This vegan read it as 'uses a chimpanzee virus' not 'contains chimpanzee cells'.

As for the vaccine, I will have whichever is available at the time - my choice, one I hope the majority will make so life for all can return to some level of normality
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I don't really see how someone posting verbatim from a vaccine information package leaflet would be accused of posting lies, notwithstanding the words emboldened for emphasis.

This is what Siouxie posted....



Now - we very clever people might well know that the vaccine DOESN'T actually contain what that government release certainly appears to say it does, but many people won't realise that.

I'll bounce this off a vegan friend of mine and see what she says.

Perhaps lying was a little harsh but the post certainly had the intention of insinuating something that isn't true, perhaps this was done naively or perhaps as I assumed it was intentional.
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Perhaps the originator of this info could have reworded / qualified that part of the entry, to avoid misinterpretation?
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Perhaps the originator of this info could have reworded / qualified that part of the entry, to avoid misinterpretation?
Absolutely.

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Perhaps the originator of this info could have reworded / qualified that part of the entry, to avoid misinterpretation?
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Absolutely.

How exactly? It is exactly what it says it is.

Misinterpretation happens when people try to push an agenda and deliberately conflate the sentence.
I'm not sure that wording is top of the agenda for astrazeneca. They would just use the language they use normally to describe the process.


People will always jump to conclusions when they see words like embryonic kidneys, and chimpanzee
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