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Old Mar 23rd 2020, 11:46 pm
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I’ve re-opened this thread in the hope we can keep discussions civil.
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Had many in the UK not been so selfish and self-centred, and actually been responsible adults, this lockdown may not have been necessary. But it's here, and fortunately or not, I still have to work.

The sad thing is that the supermarket chain I'm working in is paying their own staff a 10% increase until things normalise. We're effectively taking a pay cut per hour as the previous 5hr shifts were paid at a higher rate, but our new rotas are 8hr shifts at standard rate.
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Had many in the UK not been so selfish and self-centred, and actually been responsible adults, this lockdown may not have been necessary. But it's here, and fortunately or not, I still have to work.

The sad thing is that the supermarket chain I'm working in is paying their own staff a 10% increase until things normalise. We're effectively taking a pay cut per hour as the previous 5hr shifts were paid at a higher rate, but our new rotas are 8hr shifts at standard rate.
Stay safe and healthy mate.
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Old Mar 24th 2020, 8:17 am
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Had many in the UK not been so selfish and self-centred, and actually been responsible adults, this lockdown may not have been necessary. But it's here, and fortunately or not, I still have to work.

The sad thing is that the supermarket chain I'm working in is paying their own staff a 10% increase until things normalise. We're effectively taking a pay cut per hour as the previous 5hr shifts were paid at a higher rate, but our new rotas are 8hr shifts at standard rate.
Must be tough having to carry on under these circumstances.

Hope people notice and acknowledge your presence and appreciate what you're doing - I expect you're normally invisible to a lot of folk?
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Must be tough having to carry on under these circumstances.

Hope people notice and acknowledge your presence and appreciate what you're doing - I expect you're normally invisible to a lot of folk?
Thanks guys..... At least I'm lucky enough to be working, right?

And yeah, people only notice us when we're telling them they can't do something.
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Thanks guys..... At least I'm lucky enough to be working, right?

And yeah, people only notice us when we're telling them they can't do something.
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"For years, Britain’s political culture has stoked a dog-eat-dog individualism, just as it has cast doubt on experts. We should not be shocked that those particular chickens are now coming home to roost. The government is finally introducing the state-led intervention this pandemic requires. But in the coming weeks values, as well as the law, are going to be what helps us get through this. A recognition that we are all more interconnected than appeared to be case. That individual want doesn’t trump community need. That disabled and older people’s lives are worth protecting. Some things should not need legislation."

From a comment column in The Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...box=1585067230
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I see no point in blaming a people and a system of which we are ignorant for being the match that lit the flame.

It could have been a market in West Africa or a newly discovered issue in the Amazon.

Outside China, the virus was spread primarily by western tourists who then scuttled home, taking the virus with them.

Once established, governments struggled to contain a pandemic that spread rapidly and had an incubation period that masked contagion.

When the speed of contagion became apparent, governments realised that their healthcare systems could not cope with an early peak.

Attempts to slow the rate of contagion were hampered by politicians who were scared to lose popularity and populations who cared little for their neighbour.

We are where we are. Name calling, finger pointing and spite will not help - nor will suggestions that "most people will be OK". We don't take that attitude with cancer, or TB, or Polio.




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I liked this opinion on Boris' handling:
Last week Ireland, which shares a land border with the UK, struggled to understand Downing Street’s hesitation. “Boris Johnson is gambling with the health of his citizens,” said the Irish Times. On Tuesday, after the prime minister’s sudden reversal, one official in Dublin expressed relief. “The Brits were doing their own thing and it looked like we were going to have to live with it. They got there in the end.” It was a variation of an observation attributed to Winston Churchill about America doing the right thing after exhausting all other options.
I'd not heard that one before.
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I liked this opinion on Boris' handling:


I'd not heard that one before.
The view from the other side of the water is always worth seeing - not for the first time, they find themselves hostage to decisions taken in Westminster.

Varadkar came out early on to prepare people for what was to come.... then took hard decisions. Imagine closing pubs just before St.Patrick's Day, not after, not "ah, let's just give one last hoorah", but immediately..... what leader would want to do that?
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Maybe Johnson will end up getting some help from a coalition government.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-conservatives
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Maybe Johnson will end up getting some help from a coalition government.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-conservatives
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36 years old. If our health system hadn't been underfunded for a decade, at least, and unable to meet the need, maybe she could have gone to hospital and wouldn't be dead, leaving a husband and three children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-not-priority

This is why this stuff matters, people, it's never "just politics".
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I see no point in blaming a people and a system of which we are ignorant for being the match that lit the flame.

It could have been a market in West Africa or a newly discovered issue in the Amazon.

Outside China, the virus was spread primarily by western tourists who then scuttled home, taking the virus with them.

Once established, governments struggled to contain a pandemic that spread rapidly and had an incubation period that masked contagion.

When the speed of contagion became apparent, governments realised that their healthcare systems could not cope with an early peak.

Attempts to slow the rate of contagion were hampered by politicians who were scared to lose popularity and populations who cared little for their neighbour.

We are where we are. Name calling, finger pointing and spite will not help - nor will suggestions that "most people will be OK". We don't take that attitude with cancer, or TB, or Polio.
Having read all this morning's posts on this and the 'original' thread, I would only want to add this, in response to your very last para. Imagine every single TV channel, news program, online news site, social media site, etc told you non-stop about the dangers of TB. I think it's fair to say, some people might get overly anxious. I can say that two days ago, I felt ever so slightly 'strange' (light headed, bit 'throaty'). That day I also read a rather graphic description of one (young-ish) person's personal experience with C-19. My mind went to places it probably should not have, imagining myself suffering a terrible fever all alone without help. That night, I didn't sleep hardly a wink, and the next day I was exhausted from the lack of sleep, and had no appetite. I'm willing to believe this was all a psychological reaction, a form of irrational anxiety - and one that could easily lead me to be more vulnerable. Yesterday, I 'got my shit together', and felt much better. Today, I would say I'm 100% back to normal. My point is simply that we do all need to maintain perspective that if we do get this virus, we will likely experience mild symptoms (based on statistical evidence). The balancing act is that while saying that, we don't want people to assume it's ok to ignore any of the guidelines. But we don't want people to ... literally ... worry themselves sick.

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I'm putting it in here rather than the main Covid thread, because I'm scared of JG and this might be taken as political, although I think it's more general than that personallly.

But it is spot on.

" “The overriding objective [of governments for the last decade] has been austerity, and life expectancy for the worst-off has declined,” he told journalists at a virtual meeting organised by Plan B and Extinction Rebellion. “Health tells us something fundamental about the nature of our society. What the government was pursuing was a worse society – that may not have been the objective, but it was what came out.”But what had happened in response to coronavirus revealed a new way of operating for governments. “With Covid-19, everything [on austerity] went out of the window. It turns out austerity was a choice,” he said. “The government can spend anything [in the context of the coronavirus crisis], and they have socialised the economy.”
The urgency with which the government had acted showed that the response to an emergency could be swift and decisive, he said. But the climate crisis has been viewed as a “slow-burn” issue and had not elicited such a response. “Coronavirus exposes that we can do things differently,” Marmot said. “We must not go back to the status quo ante.” "

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/28/coronavirus-tackle-climate-crisis-and-poverty-with-zeal-of-covid-19-fight-scientists-urge?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebo ok&fbclid=IwAR3-gsyjGHCZVjmFdJgegpUeuuSbk7tXmquuW6u3PG0RbGQNj2jFkh VU-qs#Echobox="it's 1585404347

This is exactly the point. Our governments make choices about where and how to spend - and it's our money, so what do we want them to be spending it on? And all the things that we are so often told can't be done, or can't be paid for, turn out to be choices - "it's not in the budget" so often just means "it's elsewhere in the budget".

I'm not saying that the current emergency measures should be continued for ever, just that we have chosen to let our governments leave people in suffering, and that just isn't necessary.
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