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Old Mar 22nd 2020, 2:09 am
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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
Clearly spoken by someone with only limited knowledge of mainland Chinese tourists. They are well known for being rude, loud, selfish and unhygienic.
I've dealt with rude. loud, selfish and unhygienic tourists from Asian countries. And students. I never asked which country they're from, it was never relevant. If they're idiots, they're dealt with appropriately. If they're not, they're also dealt with appropriately, and the city I live in has a university popular with students from Asia, so we do get lots of prospective students (with or without their families) coming to look around.

I've also dealt with rude, loud, selfish and unhygienic Americans, Europeans and Brits, sober, drunk or anywhere in between, and I've also dealt with people from these countries and regions who've been the nicest people I'd ever want to meet. And my wife was a receptionist at an English-language school for Chinese students in Mississauga for a while too.

It is a biological weapon that has been deployed, albeit possibly accidentally, by the Chinese government. You can be as PC as you like about this but that's just simply how it is. Unfortunately the only way to prevent this from ever happening again is for all countries, including the UK, to massively re-evaluate their relationship with China and impose a set of permanent and radical visa restrictions.
A biological 'weapon'..... Had it been deliberately made, you could have a point. But it wasn't, and you don't.

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It's your choice as to whether or not you're angry about it but personally after seeing hundreds of British people killed by the reckless actions of the Chinese state, not to mention the untold and long term devastating impact on our healthcare system and economy, I'm furious.
Ok, so you're furious. How personally can you do anything to change that?

Here's somewhere that may be able to help.

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Old Mar 22nd 2020, 2:20 am
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Well I hate to tell DigitalGhost this but when all is said and done this outbreak will probably viewed in waves, and American tourists probably have done as much to spread it in recent weeks as any group.
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Old Mar 22nd 2020, 2:27 am
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Well I hate to tell DigitalGhost this but when all is said and done this outbreak will probably viewed in waves, and American tourists probably have done as much to spread it in recent weeks as any group.
See below.

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I understand that. I don't know that the virus was taken to America by a Chinese tourist. My point is that travel to and from China should be heavily restricted once travel resumes on a global scale until China can actually start to behave like a decent and reputable country.

If the mafia or Isis had unleashed this thing upon the world would you all be so equally forgiving?
DG already accepted he doesn't know if the virus got to the US, yet he still persists.
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Old Mar 22nd 2020, 4:53 am
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This wasn't 'unleashed' by China, it happened because people in a Chinese town were eating animals not intended to be a part of the human diet. Nature then did what nature does, and mutated.

If the same had happened in Syria, there'd be mass hysteria over terrorists, etc, but had it happened in a Christian country, many of the same talking nutjobs would be claiming God had sent a plague.

Some people, including you, always need a scapegoat to blame. But your suggestion of banning Chinese tourism until it becomes a 'civilised country' misses one important point, that become civilised doesn't come from restricting those people, but by showing them the benefits of civilisation.

But 'civilised' the way you seem to define it in this context is just a thin excuse to be anti-Chinese. They're one of the oldest civilisations in the world.
Agreed. A more appropriate choice of an uncivilised country would be the USA and its NATO stooges who are recklessly slaughtering the natives of the Middle East, and desperately seeking an excuse to annihilate millions of citizens of the relatively civilised nation of Iran.One should demand apologies from those invaders before the hapless dictators of China.
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Coronavirus isn't new, this disease has been around in various forms in other species for a long time.

I get your angry, scared, worried or whatever emotion it is, the situation is very Difficult to rationalize, but shooting crackpot theories does nothing to help the situation.

Stay safe, take every reasonable precaution, there isn't much more you can do.
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Old Mar 22nd 2020, 6:39 am
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Clearly, the only sensible solution is for the world to ban everything ... (that isn't British).

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Old Mar 22nd 2020, 9:19 am
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Coronavirus isn't new, this disease has been around in various forms in other species for a long time.

I get your angry, scared, worried or whatever emotion it is, the situation is very Difficult to rationalize, but shooting crackpot theories does nothing to help the situation.

Stay safe, take every reasonable precaution, there isn't much more you can do.
Thank you for those kind words. I'm both terrified and furious. I was supposed to travel abroad to visit my partner in a few weeks from now but it's looking like that won't be able to happen, causing me possibly months of hassle and paperwork and leaving me not knowing when I will be able to see her again. I'm also working from home and and as someone who lives alone at the moment, that is an extremely isolating and lonely existence.

Essentially because of China my life as well as the lives of countless others has been plunged into turmoil. Because of those unimaginable bastards I can't visit my mother today or spend the weekend socialising with my friends because we're told that self-imprisonment is the new normal and the responsible thing to do.

Worse still are the images of the Chinese now going about their daily lives again after unleashing this pox upon the world and even taking every opportunity to criticise the western response to it. I hate the Chinese for what they've done and I just wish there was some way to get back at them. I want them to suffer indefinitely.

My concern is that when this does eventually blow over, the world will just keep on buying their cheap plastic shite and the doors to the outside world will be thrown open to them yet again, free for wreak havoc and it will only be a matter of time before this happens all over again.
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Old Mar 22nd 2020, 9:21 am
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Things would look better if you stopped pointing the finger and started focussing on what you can control.

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No but you'll find quite a few who aren't the least bit impressed, under these circumstances, with the sowing of division, the pointing of fingers of blame and yet more aspersions about certain groups of foreigners. We can do without all of that right now.

The international community needs to act cooperatively and all nations need to do whatever's necessary towards helping each other in every possible way.
Whilst I agree 10000000% with this and think it's the critical thinking we all need right now.....

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China caused both its inception and the plague that it has unleashed upon the world. It is a Chinese virus and China is responsible. I'm not sure how it can be made any clearer than that.

​​​​​​Basically China can **** off. Every single innocent person around the world who has suffered or died at the hands of this virus has been a victim of the Chinese government and western governments and tourism industries thinking only about the bottom line.
....I also can't disagree with the point behind this.
This is ANOTHER virus from the 'wet market' environment that China continues to allow. It's an example of the world being directly affected by a locally sourced disease, falsely reported and woefully (arrogantly) underestimated.

Yes, I doubt the Chinese WANTED this to happen or to kill that many of their own and other nationals, but willfully allowing these sorts of breeding grounds means surely it's inevitable?


But, first point still stands. Allow it for now, then I want the **** for ****ed / ate a bat / dog to be on show for the subhuman they are.
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A biological 'weapon'..... Had it been deliberately made, you could have a point. But it wasn't, and you don't.
It was developed through Chinese corruption and negligence. If the Americans had developed the atom bomb by mistake, would that make it any less a weapon?

And Chinese students and immigrants in Canada are vastly different to the modern Chinese tourists you will find in most parts of Asia, believe me. While it's true that Chinese immigrants and residents to tend to behave far more anti-socially than their counterparts in the US, the UK and elsewhere, they're in a very different league to the mainland Chinese you would find littering the streets of Tokyo, Hong Kong or Thailand prior to all of this kicking off.
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Whilst I agree 10000000% with this and think it's the critical thinking we all need right now.....

....I also can't disagree with the point behind this.
This is ANOTHER virus from the 'wet market' environment that China continues to allow. It's an example of the world being directly affected by a locally sourced disease, falsely reported and woefully (arrogantly) underestimated.

Yes, I doubt the Chinese WANTED this to happen or to kill that many of their own and other nationals, but willfully allowing these sorts of breeding grounds means surely it's inevitable?


But, first point still stands. Allow it for now, then I want the **** for ****ed / ate a bat / dog to be on show for the subhuman they are.
Thank you, at least someone has some common sense.

The wet markets are a bigger problem than any of us could ever have imagined. They're not just about food these days, they're also about exotic pets, many of which are brought in from Africa illegally and contained in inhumane conditions and close proximity to local species. That's likely how this virus was able to develop. It jumped between the local bats, the civit cat and possibly the pangolin and was passed to humans not through consumption but through handing.

Those animals tend to emit airborne hormones when terrified, not unlike testosterone. Because the idiots on that market and the arseholes in the Chinese government have no respect or understanding of such things, Covid-19 was the end result.
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Please be rational.

This could have just have easily come from a whole range of a animals, in a whole range of countries.


Just look at the Chinese study on receus monkeys and have hope that this is just gonna pass through once...
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Things would look better if you stopped pointing the finger and started focussing on what you can control.

What I want is for our government to cease all issuance of tourist visas for Chinese nationals and to encourage other countries to do the same. Take away access to designer French brands, Japanese cosmetics and New York property from the Chinese elite and things will start to change. They are a culture that only ever listens to their wallet and their ability to flaunt wealth.
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Please be rational.

This could have just have easily come from a whole range of a animals, in a whole range of countries.


Just look at the Chinese study on receus monkeys and have hope that this is just gonna pass through once...
I will look at that but the evidence on this is all pointed to China and Chinese greed and corruption. There's simply no denying that.
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Please be rational.

This could have just have easily come from a whole range of a animals, in a whole range of countries.


Just look at the Chinese study on receus monkeys and have hope that this is just gonna pass through once...
Very true, lots of diseases can come from lots of places, but this one appears to have originated very specifically in China, so we should be comfortable that the likely cause for it starting was related to a market that really doesn't exist in many places.

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