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BristolUK Sep 28th 2020 10:11 pm

The New Conservative Age - a good thing?
 
There's a feeling going around in some quarters that we are experiencing the dawning of a new age of Conservatism. Or perhaps right wing populism.

From today's news:
Portugal records surge in racist violence as far right rises
There's been a growing number of racist incidents including murder, death threats and beatings.

Far-right German politician sacked for reportedly suggesting migrants could be killed
A prominent official of the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) told a young blogger in February that the worse off Germany is, the better it would be for his party, and that migrants coming to the country “could still be shot later on … or gassed”
He's been sacked but

AfD has come under heightened scrutiny from Germany’s domestic intelligence agency amid concern that some factions are flirting with extremism
Fred Perry withdraws polo shirt adopted by far-right Proud Boys Company distances itself from US fascist group as it halts sales of garment in North America

The fashion brand Fred Perry has pulled one of its famous polo shirt designs after it became associated with a far-right organisation. The company has halted sales of the black and yellow top in the US and Canada, after it was adopted by the neo-fascist organisation the Proud Boys.
Is there a new dawn? Is it attracting the wrong people?

Incidentally, all three reports are also covered by the daily mail and plenty of other social media sources so it's not just some fake news put about by "leftist main stream news". Why can I not keep a straight face typing that? :lol:

Lion in Winter Sep 28th 2020 10:14 pm

Re: The New Conservative Age - a good thing?
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12915608)
There's a feeling going around in some quarters that we are experiencing the dawning of a new age of Conservatism. Or perhaps right wing populism.

From today's news:
Portugal records surge in racist violence as far right rises
There's been a growing number of racist incidents including murder, death threats and beatings.

Far-right German politician sacked for reportedly suggesting migrants could be killed
A prominent official of the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) told a young blogger in February that the worse off Germany is, the better it would be for his party, and that migrants coming to the country “could still be shot later on … or gassed”
He's been sacked but
Fred Perry withdraws polo shirt adopted by far-right Proud Boys Company distances itself from US fascist group as it halts sales of garment in North America


Is there a new dawn? Is it attracting the wrong people?

Incidentally, all three reports are also covered by the daily mail and plenty of other social media sources so it's not just some fake news put about by "leftist main stream news". Why can I not keep a straight face typing that? :lol:


They're all a load of ***** and back in the 70s we knew what to do with them :)


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...b824744e9b.jpg




Jsmth321 Sep 28th 2020 10:40 pm

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If the far right right their wet dreamland, give them Mississippi, Louisiana, & Kentucky. These are the 1, 2 and 5th most dependent states on federal money, the far right gets their wacko land. Bet they beg to come back within 5 years. :sarcasm:




paulry Sep 28th 2020 11:09 pm

Re: The New Conservative Age - a good thing?
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12915610)
They're all a load of ***** and back in the 70s we knew what to do with them :)


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...b824744e9b.jpg

Yep, these days your lot are running around as the ironically named Antifa. So how's that going? :sneaky:

BristolUK Sep 30th 2020 10:54 pm

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President of the USA not only refuses to condemn white supremacists but asks them to stand by.

BristolUK Oct 2nd 2020 3:50 pm

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After surviving far right violence in Charlottesville, Emily Gorcenski has tracked the Proud Boys and other extremist groups

The far-right Proud Boys group, whom Donald Trump refused to denounce this week, have been linked to assaults on protesters, white supremacist organizing, the spread of Covid misinformation and other threats against Americans...Far-right violence has escalated dramatically under Trump, who has ignored his own government’s domestic terrorism warnings and encouraged vigilante violence
Can anyone explain why this is okay with people who claim not to be racist?

Red Eric Oct 3rd 2020 7:25 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12917481)

Is that the far right, white supremacist, neo-fascist Proud Boys or the socialist ethno-nationalist version?

paulry Oct 3rd 2020 8:06 am

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12917873)
Is that the far right, white supremacist, neo-fascist Proud Boys or the socialist ethno-nationalist version?

Very nice.

....Except they're not white supremacists.

https://thenewamerican.com/proud-boy...ite-supremacy/

https://defconnews.com/2020/10/01/no...-supremacists/


DaveLovesDee Oct 3rd 2020 10:22 am

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12917883)

The New American is a politically right-wing print and digital magazine published twice a month by American Opinion Publishing Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of the John Birch Society, a far-right organization.

"Def-Con News is conservative news, definitely. It’s also conservative news defiantly, because we’re out to counter the liberal media push to demonize conservatives and silence conservative points of view." So another right-wing website.

See, you can whine about the Guardian being leftist when it is fairly balanced., I can point out that your sources are from the far-right.


paulry Oct 3rd 2020 11:23 am

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12917915)
The New American is a politically right-wing print and digital magazine published twice a month by American Opinion Publishing Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of the John Birch Society, a far-right organization.

"Def-Con News is conservative news, definitely. It’s also conservative news defiantly, because we’re out to counter the liberal media push to demonize conservatives and silence conservative points of view." So another right-wing website.

See, you can whine about the Guardian being leftist when it is fairly balanced., I can point out that your sources are from the far-right.

The Guardian might be fairly balanced according to your world view but it is very widely known that it is a leftist news paper. If it were fairly balanced why does it not have a loyal conservative readership? As for the two news sites I posted sure they are conservative news . But if you pretend for long enough to read them that they are not conservative nor leftist and check the information relating to the news stories I posted you'll find it checks out. Proud Boys is not a white supremacist outfit - it's president is Latino with African ancestry, it has black members, they have repeatedly openly condemned white supremacy - and if you have the courage to watch the video you'll see the leader doing that. And nothing in their constitution suggests they are. ....Meanwhile the Guardian drones on about them being white supremacist :yawn: ....And meanwhile the left continues to be obsessed with race, gender, etc. :yawn:

Red Eric Oct 3rd 2020 11:48 am

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12917925)
The Guardian might be fairly balanced according to your world view but it is very widely known that it is a leftist news paper.

Widely known ..... to whom? :unsure:


Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12917925)
If it were fairly balanced why does it not have a loyal conservative readership?

It does.

The larger part of even strongly conservative posters on BE are regular readers and not a few post links to articles in it. Away from BE, there's also a huge army of loyal regular readers keen to post their conservative take below the line on any article the moment comments open.

Red Eric Oct 3rd 2020 11:54 am

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12917925)
....Meanwhile the Guardian drones on about them being white supremacist :yawn: ....

"I condemn all white supremacists, I condemn the Proud Boys"

Who said that?

A) The Guardian
B) Donald J. Trump

DaveLovesDee Oct 3rd 2020 12:35 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12917925)
The Guardian might be fairly balanced according to your world view but it is very widely known that it is a leftist news paper. If it were fairly balanced why does it not have a loyal conservative readership? As for the two news sites I posted sure they are conservative news . But if you pretend for long enough to read them that they are not conservative nor leftist and check the information relating to the news stories I posted you'll find it checks out. Proud Boys is not a white supremacist outfit - it's president is Latino with African ancestry, it has black members, they have repeatedly openly condemned white supremacy - and if you have the courage to watch the video you'll see the leader doing that. And nothing in their constitution suggests they are. ....Meanwhile the Guardian drones on about them being white supremacist :yawn: ....And meanwhile the left continues to be obsessed with race, gender, etc. :yawn:

Eric seems to have this covered well-enough...


Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12917932)
Widely known ..... to whom? :unsure:


It does.

The larger part of even strongly conservative posters on BE are regular readers and not a few post links to articles in it. Away from BE, there's also a huge army of loyal regular readers keen to post their conservative take below the line on any article the moment comments open.

Excellent post!


Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12917934)
"I condemn all white supremacists, I condemn the Proud Boys"

Who said that?

A) The Guardian
B) Donald J. Trump

Stand back, and stand by!.... I know the answer to this.... It's, it's... Um.

Lion in Winter Oct 3rd 2020 2:02 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12917925)
The Guardian might be fairly balanced according to your world view but it is very widely known that it is a leftist news paper. If it were fairly balanced why does it not have a loyal conservative readership? As for the two news sites I posted sure they are conservative news . But if you pretend for long enough to read them that they are not conservative nor leftist and check the information relating to the news stories I posted you'll find it checks out. Proud Boys is not a white supremacist outfit - it's president is Latino with African ancestry, it has black members, they have repeatedly openly condemned white supremacy - and if you have the courage to watch the video you'll see the leader doing that. And nothing in their constitution suggests they are. ....Meanwhile the Guardian drones on about them being white supremacist :yawn: ....And meanwhile the left continues to be obsessed with race, gender, etc. :yawn:

You see, your mistake is that you think that people must think or behave a certain way due to the colour of their skin. You are a true racist. "They aren't a white supremacist group because there are people in it who are not completely white". You should read up on the one-drop rule - you would fit right in.

Educate yourself on these thugs. I mean, we know you won't but I'd hate for passers by to think that anyone else on this site thinks like you. They don't. And won't, no matter how much sewage you post.

"Their disavowals of bigotry are belied by their actions: rank-and-file Proud Boys and leaders regularly spout white nationalist memes and maintain affiliations with known extremists. They are known for anti-Muslim and misogynistic rhetoric. Proud Boys have appeared alongside other hate groups at extremist gatherings like the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville. Indeed, former Proud Boys member Jason Kessler helped to organize the event, which brought together Klansmen, antisemites, Southern racists, and militias. Kessler was only “expelled” from the group after the violence and near-universal condemnation of the Charlottesville rally-goers".

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...oup/proud-boys

paulry Oct 4th 2020 1:55 am

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12917932)
The larger part of even strongly conservative posters on BE....

The larger part of conservative posters on BE. :lol: How many is that do you reckon? 2? 3?

...There's hardly any conservative posters left on BE.



BristolUK Oct 4th 2020 10:39 am

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12918229)
The larger part of conservative posters on BE. :lol: How many is that do you reckon? 2? 3?

...There's hardly any conservative posters left on BE.

As someone else said you are so far to the right that even self proclaimed lifelong Conservative voters are leftists in your mind. :nod:

kimilseung Oct 4th 2020 3:49 pm

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It should be known, if you don't already know, that the Proud Boys claim to be "Western Chauvinists" they say they are neither racist not homophobic, misogyny is the one area they don't shy from, as they do not allow women members. They have male members (oo err missus) from a variety of backgrounds.
Gavin Mcinnes infamously shoved a dildo up his bum, to own the libs.
of course the only people to believe them are others who have also adopted the "I'm not racist, I just support the other racists and racist policy" strategy. Who could that be on BE?
McInnis has expressed his strategy of violence as a political tool, but to also distance themselves from certain areas of their core beliefs, as a strategy.

Lion in Winter Oct 4th 2020 7:07 pm

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 12918405)
It should be known, if you don't already know, that the Proud Boys claim to be "Western Chauvinists" they say they are neither racist not homophobic, misogyny is the one area they don't shy from, as they do not allow women members. They have male members (oo err missus) from a variety of backgrounds.
Gavin Mcinnes infamously shoved a dildo up his bum, to own the libs.
of course the only people to believe them are others who have also adopted the "I'm not racist, I just support the other racists and racist policy" strategy. Who could that be on BE?
McInnis has expressed his strategy of violence as a political tool, but to also distance themselves from certain areas of their core beliefs, as a strategy.


So that whole "Jews will not replace us" thing with his buddies at Charlottesville was just a misunderstanding then, yeah?

kimilseung Oct 4th 2020 7:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12918469)
So that whole "Jews will not replace us" thing with his buddies at Charlottesville was just a misunderstanding then, yeah?

"Dues will not fully fund us". it was an appeal for sponsorship from the people at Tiki.

It was Charlottesville and its fall out that got McInnis to double down on his duplicity of not being alt-right

DaveLovesDee Oct 5th 2020 12:16 am

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Just seen this, it's a few days old and covers an arrest in August. It may have already been covered back then, but I think it's still worth a reminder.

Police arrest far-right protester who pointed gun at Portland rally


Portland Police have arrested a far-right protester and member of the Proud Boys who pointed a gun at antifascist protesters on Aug. 22 in downtown Portland.Alan James Swinney, 50, is being held in the Multnomah County Jail on multiple assault charges, pointing a firearm at another, unlawful use of a weapon and unlawful use of tear gas, stun gun or mace.

Photographs and video from the Aug. 22 rally outside the Multnomah County Justice Center depict Swinney pointing a revolver at a crowd of counterprotesters. Many far-right protesters at the event used weapons such as paintball guns and baseball bats to assault opposing protesters, though there was no police intervention that day due to staffing shortages, police have said.
I wonder, if it had been the anti-fascist protesters or BLM that had been threatening violence, would there have been Police available.....

BristolUK Oct 7th 2020 11:22 am

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Golden Dawn leader and ex-MPs found guilty in landmark trial

A Greek court has delivered an overwhelming conviction against Golden Dawn, finding the neo-fascist party guilty of operating a criminal gang that brutally targeted opponents under the guise of being a political group.

At the end of a trial launched more than five years ago, the three-member tribunal headed by presiding judge Maria Lepenioti, announced that seven of Golden Dawn’s leaders were culpable of directing the deadly organisation. Others were found guilty of the lesser charge of participating in the criminal gang.
Lovely thing, this age of new conservatism. :sarcasm:

Scamp Oct 7th 2020 11:44 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12915608)
Is there a new dawn? Is it attracting the wrong people?

No, I don't think so.

I think that younger generations are far more tolerant, they haven't grown up in apartheid or homosexuality being illegal. We've grown up in times of real change and progress, where it's not OK to slap her bum in the office and cop a feel, it's not OK to call someone a 'poofter' or to discriminate because they're a different colour or religion. We are more tolerant as a group. We're more global, more connected, more forward thinking and accepting.

The best bit of all of it? Whilst we aren't a perfect bunch, we're starting to outnumber the Boomers. That's where a lot of intolerance sits - I see it with my parents and definitely with my late Grandmother. They know it's wrong but they still blame things on groups based on characteristics.

Anyway, I think there are disillusioned youth across Europe and America who are frustrated with things, but christ, we must remember that in the lifetimes of some of the older folks they've progressed a huge amount, they've driven society forwards and not all of them like it or are happy about it. The more each generation presses on, the better. The less we let old-fashioned thinking affect the future, the better.

Lion in Winter Oct 7th 2020 12:03 pm

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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12919618)
No, I don't think so.

I think that younger generations are far more tolerant, they haven't grown up in apartheid or homosexuality being illegal. We've grown up in times of real change and progress, where it's not OK to slap her bum in the office and cop a feel, it's not OK to call someone a 'poofter' or to discriminate because they're a different colour or religion. We are more tolerant as a group. We're more global, more connected, more forward thinking and accepting.

The best bit of all of it? Whilst we aren't a perfect bunch, we're starting to outnumber the Boomers. That's where a lot of intolerance sits - I see it with my parents and definitely with my late Grandmother. They know it's wrong but they still blame things on groups based on characteristics.

Anyway, I think there are disillusioned youth across Europe and America who are frustrated with things, but christ, we must remember that in the lifetimes of some of the older folks they've progressed a huge amount, they've driven society forwards and not all of them like it or are happy about it. The more each generation presses on, the better. The less we let old-fashioned thinking affect the future, the better.

Excuuuuse me, but some of that generation you are disparaging were on the front lines of the battle against racism, sexism, homophobia, and general intolerance. They actually had to grow up in that atmosphere and overcome it. They set you up for how you now live. You yourself say this in your second paragraph, so enough of talking people down just because of their age. It's no better to look down on old people than it is to look down on young people, and many of the far right ***** in the public eye now are your generation. So there :p For a better world, we need to drastically cut down on the "us and them". Judge people by what they do, not by some random demographic.

Here endeth the lesson. :lol:

paulry Oct 7th 2020 12:14 pm

Re: The New Conservative Age - a good thing?
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12919618)
No, I don't think so.

I think that younger generations are far more tolerant, they haven't grown up in apartheid or homosexuality being illegal. We've grown up in times of real change and progress, where it's not OK to slap her bum in the office and cop a feel, it's not OK to call someone a 'poofter' or to discriminate because they're a different colour or religion. We are more tolerant as a group. We're more global, more connected, more forward thinking and accepting.

The best bit of all of it? Whilst we aren't a perfect bunch, we're starting to outnumber the Boomers. That's where a lot of intolerance sits - I see it with my parents and definitely with my late Grandmother. They know it's wrong but they still blame things on groups based on characteristics.

Anyway, I think there are disillusioned youth across Europe and America who are frustrated with things, but christ, we must remember that in the lifetimes of some of the older folks they've progressed a huge amount, they've driven society forwards and not all of them like it or are happy about it. The more each generation presses on, the better. The less we let old-fashioned thinking affect the future, the better.

Sorry to spoil your warm and fuzzy feeling but it's not at all as simple as that. :)

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...o-woke/598783/

paulry Oct 7th 2020 12:17 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12919629)
For a better world, we need to drastically cut down on the "us and them". Judge people by what they do, not by some random demographic.

Wow! Awesome! So does this mean you're ditching identify politics?

Scamp Oct 7th 2020 12:53 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12919629)
Excuuuuse me, but some of that generation you are disparaging were on the front lines of the battle against racism, sexism, homophobia, and general intolerance. They actually had to grow up in that atmosphere and overcome it. They set you up for how you now live. You yourself say this in your second paragraph, so enough of talking people down just because of their age. It's no better to look down on old people than it is to look down on young people, and many of the far right ***** in the public eye now are your generation. So there :p For a better world, we need to drastically cut down on the "us and them". Judge people by what they do, not by some random demographic.

Here endeth the lesson. :lol:

I didn't mean it to be like, which is why I tried to give credit where it's due. It was more of a - look at how the world's changing and views are changing, each new generation is going to be more tolerant and more disgusted with what WAS normal in recent lifetimes.

Mind you, I think we'll just find new ways to hate each other.

Lion in Winter Oct 7th 2020 1:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12919648)
I didn't mean it to be like, which is why I tried to give credit where it's due. It was more of a - look at how the world's changing and views are changing, each new generation is going to be more tolerant and more disgusted with what WAS normal in recent lifetimes.

Mind you, I think we'll just find new ways to hate each other.


The struggle never ends :) We just have to make sure that it's two steps forward and one step back, rather than one step forward and two steps back. Bit by bit...

kimilseung Oct 7th 2020 1:29 pm

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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12919618)
No, we're starting to outnumber the Boomers..

You just need a woopin'
It is nice that the World in many ways has caught up with me, and others of my age like me, and for many what is now normal to say and think was, back in the day, unorthodox, but, I am like everyone on a life journey, and I learn and change everyday. Gender issues are compartivley new to me. I'd also say it took me being married, living with a woman day to day for me to see life through a woman's lens, even though I thought I knew, I didn't. It will be interesting to see how those being born today see the World in 20 years, issues I hadn't even considered. Maybe then, I will feel like a boomer.

Lion in Winter Oct 7th 2020 1:33 pm

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 12919661)
You just need a woopin'
It is nice that the World in many ways has caught up with me, and others of my age like me, and for many what is now normal to say and think was, back in the day, unorthodox, but, I am like everyone on a life journey, and I learn and change everyday. Gender issues are compartivley new to me. I'd also say it took me being married, living with a woman day to day for me to see life through a woman's lens, even though I thought I knew, I didn't. It will be interesting to see how those being born today see the World in 20 years, issues I hadn't even considered. Maybe then, I will feel like a boomer.

Yeah. Half the time I feel a LOT more radical and in need of creating change than people a lot younger. That doesn't just stop because the years roll by.

Red Eric Oct 7th 2020 4:55 pm

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 12919661)
...Gender issues are compartivley new to me. I'd also say it took me being married, living with a woman day to day for me to see life through a woman's lens, even though I thought I knew, I didn't. ...

Strange creatures, women. I knew one once... striking-looking girl... tall, you know... father was a banker.

Lion in Winter Oct 7th 2020 5:42 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12919725)
Strange creatures, women. I knew one once... striking-looking girl... tall, you know... father was a banker.


Good card player?

BristolUK Oct 7th 2020 5:51 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12919725)
Strange creatures, women. I knew one once... striking-looking girl... tall, you know... father was a banker.

You must have been keen on her because you took her to see India.

DaveLovesDee Oct 7th 2020 6:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12919725)
Strange creatures, women. I knew one once... striking-looking girl... tall, you know... father was a banker.

Rhyming slang? Or did he work in financial services? :p

BristolUK Oct 7th 2020 6:31 pm

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12919752)
Rhyming slang? Or did he work in financial services? :p

Ahem. Major Gowen.

Red Eric Oct 7th 2020 7:37 pm

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12919757)

I thought everybody knew that.

Mind you, you know what thought did.....

DaveLovesDee Oct 7th 2020 7:55 pm

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12919757)
Ahem.

If you've got a cough, you should use the Covid symptom checker :p


Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12919778)
I thought everybody knew that.

Mind you, you know what thought did.....

I tawt I taw a putty tat.....

Scamp Oct 8th 2020 6:50 am

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 12919661)
You just need a woopin'
It is nice that the World in many ways has caught up with me, and others of my age like me, and for many what is now normal to say and think was, back in the day, unorthodox, but, I am like everyone on a life journey, and I learn and change everyday. Gender issues are compartivley new to me. I'd also say it took me being married, living with a woman day to day for me to see life through a woman's lens, even though I thought I knew, I didn't. It will be interesting to see how those being born today see the World in 20 years, issues I hadn't even considered. Maybe then, I will feel like a boomer.

Sometimes we all need a woopin' :lol:

I think you're right though, which was kind of my point. You will have started with view or opinions or said things that you might not think or say now.
The next generation will start with what you now think and progress from there.
It's no a criticism of progress, acknowledging it and trying to keep up with it is hard.
I will think differently again in 20 years to how I think now, which is different to how I thought 20 years ago. Being a product of your environment and then changing that mindset is massively difficult.

As long as we all avoid turning into a Karen then we're good.

Lion in Winter Oct 8th 2020 12:24 pm

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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12919892)
Sometimes we all need a woopin' :lol:

I think you're right though, which was kind of my point. You will have started with view or opinions or said things that you might not think or say now.
The next generation will start with what you now think and progress from there.
It's no a criticism of progress, acknowledging it and trying to keep up with it is hard.
I will think differently again in 20 years to how I think now, which is different to how I thought 20 years ago. Being a product of your environment and then changing that mindset is massively difficult.

As long as we all avoid turning into a Karen then we're good.


It won't necessarily progress. Regression is always a possibility, as we have seen with the rise of right-wing populism, the election of Trump, brexit and its collateral damage. Be vigilant, grasshopper. Things that have been won can be lost.

el collado kid Oct 8th 2020 3:13 pm

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What would people prefer trump um biden um ummah,Now you know just how good old boris is rule britannia.Considering the circumstances not to bad he will get a kick in the balls whatever he does,who would want to be a world leader in these times with so many people who know whats right and wrong and shout from the safety of their computer.Easey init.

BristolUK Oct 9th 2020 3:24 pm

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It has its own thread but that will eventually die off and I think it worth mentioning here too, just to keep it as a relevant example.
How the domestic terror plot to kidnap Michigan's governor unravelled

“Snatch and grab, man,” Adam Fox told an FBI informant in July. “Grab the ****in’ governor. Just grab the bitch. Because at that point, we do that, dude – it’s over.”

Fox, from Michigan, is now facing a potential life sentence, along with five other men, for an elaborate plan to kidnap the state’s Democratic governor, Gretchen Whitmer, and put her on trial for “treason”, according to the FBI...
According to the affidavit, plotters twice surveilled the governor’s vacation home and discussed blowing up a bridge leading to the house and using a boat to flee with the captured Whitmer.


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