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Old Nov 3rd 2020, 2:31 pm
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The problem Labour have is that the head may have been cut off but there are still many of his supporters corrupting the party.
Are they corrupting it or are they angry because Starmer just seems like a slimmer and more coherent Boris Johnson?

Don't get me wrong, he's got that whole smooth Trudeau-style thing going on but that's not what a lot of Labour supporters want, especially not at the moment. Starmer is essentially just New Labour all over again.
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Starmer has Blackface issues?
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Old Nov 3rd 2020, 2:40 pm
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Starmer has Blackface issues?
It would be very ironic and not to mention hilarious if that turned out to be the case.
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Old Nov 3rd 2020, 5:03 pm
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Unless Labour, especially the leadership, has the will to identify why it exists and what is should do to pursue it's dream, it is doomed. The labour of today would never have the will to fight for an NHS.
For decades, it's wallowed from one leader to the next, chosen to be the messiah who'll recover it's soul, only to pick those willing to exploit the party to their own benefit with the inevitability of party rejection.
The truth is that the party faithful, the door knockers and leaflet handers believe in party principles that those in suits pay lip service to but in truth no longer believe in, the tail no longer recognises the dog it's attached to.
Corbyn was a weak leader who expected others to believe as he did, but his heart was in the right place; Sir Keir Rodney Starmer KCB QC MP, named after Kier Hardy, is an imposter who'll never understand the gut wrenching basic labour fundamentals his parents probably did.
Standing in front of the dispatch box in the commons tearing strips off Johnson might please his MPs but it does nothing to appease the needs of the party faithful, it's deeds that matter.
What labour needs is a Corbyn with teeth, big sharp teeth.

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Old Nov 3rd 2020, 6:54 pm
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Starmer has Blackface issues?


Pics?
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Old Nov 3rd 2020, 7:02 pm
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Unless Labour, especially the leadership, has the will to identify why it exists and what is should do to pursue it's dream, it is doomed. The labour of today would never have the will to fight for an NHS.
For decades, it's wallowed from one leader to the next, chosen to be the messiah who'll recover it's soul, only to pick those willing to exploit the party to their own benefit with the inevitability of party rejection.
The truth is that the party faithful, the door knockers and leaflet handers believe in party principles that those in suits pay lip service to but in truth no longer believe in, the tail no longer recognises the dog it's attached to.
Corbyn was a weak leader who expected others to believe as he did, but his heart was in the right place; Sir Keir Rodney Starmer KCB QC MP, named after Kier Hardy, is an imposter who'll never understand the gut wrenching basic labour fundamentals his parents probably did.
Standing in front of the dispatch box in the commons tearing strips off Johnson might please his MPs but it does nothing to appease the needs of the party faithful, it's deeds that matter.
What labour needs is a Corbyn with teeth, big sharp teeth.
If the party wants to go back to it's roots and once again become electable by its traditional base it would first have to shed the woke and Blairite characteristics that has ironically betrayed and poured scorn on that traditional base this last 20 years or so. But that is a tall and perhaps impossible order given at least half of its leadership, MPs, etc fully sign up to those characteristics.
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Old Nov 3rd 2020, 9:13 pm
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If the party wants to go back to it's roots and once again become electable by its traditional base it would first have to shed the woke and Blairite characteristics that has ironically betrayed and poured scorn on that traditional base this last 20 years or so. But that is a tall and perhaps impossible order given at least half of its leadership, MPs, etc fully sign up to those characteristics.
That's true.
The party of my youth no longer exists, another party of smoke and mirrors that tries to be all things to all men and respected by nobody has arisen to take it's place.
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Old Nov 18th 2020, 9:14 am
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Labour have lost some 250,000 members since the last GE, most of those because of the findings of a leaked report that showed deliberate sabotage of Jeremy Corbyn's leadersip from within the party. This has now come back to haunt them, membership has collapsed, and people are still leaving. There are not enough Tory lite people joining to offset these losses.
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Old Nov 20th 2020, 2:26 am
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Is today a time, one of those moments of destiny when a new party, a socialist party, one with gusto and a charismatic leader, could actually make inroads into the 2 party monopoly?
Is there leader out there, someone who could take on the established parties and actually stick it to the thieving classes?
Is the UK doomed to live with right of centre governments forever who's only thought is how to make London richer?
Where's a latter day Watt Tyler when you need him?
And where's that lamp gone that you can rub to get a few wishes?

Gone, it's all gone, betrayed by champagne swigging socialists.

It's there for the taking... but no-one to take it.

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Old Nov 20th 2020, 1:59 pm
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Is the UK doomed to live with right of centre governments forever who's only thought is how to make London richer?
Yes.
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Old Nov 20th 2020, 2:11 pm
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If labour keep behaving how they are and have been for the last 45 years they will all ways be on the ropes and will stay there IMOA
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Old Nov 20th 2020, 2:24 pm
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If labour keep behaving how they are and have been for the last 45 years they will all ways be on the ropes and will stay there IMOA
New Labour under Blair gave the Tory-lite someone comfortable to vote for instead of John Major. Starmer is aiming for the same.

Originally Posted by dave_j View Post
Is today a time, one of those moments of destiny when a new party, a socialist party, one with gusto and a charismatic leader, could actually make inroads into the 2 party monopoly?
Is there leader out there, someone who could take on the established parties and actually stick it to the thieving classes?
Is the UK doomed to live with right of centre governments forever who's only thought is how to make London richer?
Where's a latter day Watt Tyler when you need him?
And where's that lamp gone that you can rub to get a few wishes?

Gone, it's all gone, betrayed by champagne swigging socialists.

It's there for the taking... but no-one to take it.
Labour needs to satisfy traditional Labour value, AND keep a party happy to become slightly less-Tory than the Tories, who themselves are trying to out-UKIP Farage. The UK has a Watt Tyler figure who is prepared to stand up and fight for what he believes in, but sections of his own party made it impossible.

And I believe Corbyn has too much respect for the traditional Labour Party to get involved in a breakaway party.

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Old Nov 20th 2020, 2:41 pm
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New Labour under Blair gave the Tory-lite someone comfortable to vote for instead of John Major. Starmer is aiming for the same.
The only time i ever considered voting labour since 1979 ,but when it came to it i could not do it.Just like this time i was not going to vote because i now live in spain but but i could not bare the thought of old looney corbin getting in.I really never want to vote again ever, unless it is in our local village for the mayor who is imho who deserves to be kept as the mayor not for politics but for what he has achieved and has done for us all.Not having to think about voting is quite a freedom in itself and not watching the bbc news is quite a joy.Britain needs a good strong labour party with good policies but i doubt it will every get it for the foreseeable future sadly.
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