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Old Aug 21st 2019, 10:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Oakvillian View Post
The "new book" you refer to was published seven years ago, so your surprise and delight at shouting about it seems somewhat misplaced.
Err .... youre indirectly quoting The Guardian article itself there not me so if any "shouting" is being done .... its by The Guardian journalist.

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I haven't read the book, but the couple of reviews I found online point out that Downs' analysis is as much a condemnation of the attitude of Federal bureaucracy to the fate of the freedmen as it was a commentary on that fate per se. One cites the response to an outbreak of smallpox in the freedmen population of a Union Camp: authorities treated it as an inevitable consequence of the racial inferiority of the former slaves, and did nothing about it.

So, what Downs is, in effect, saying here is "White American politicians and bureaucrats have been racist since forever. The freed slaves never really stood a chance against a society that didn't care if they lived or died."
I have no argument with any of that so its pretty irrelevant as it was not part of my question to Leslie.


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I'm not sure that that supports your point - if indeed you had a point in the first place.
In the first place .... I had a simple question .... for Leslie.

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It seems to me to be condemning white America - on both sides, before and after the Civil War and during Reconstruction - for their racist attitude towards black people. If that's the point you wanted to bring out, then congratulations. If not, perhaps you should actually read something about the articles you cite.
No it wasnt the point, the point was if Leslie thought that some slaves mightve had a tougher time after the abolition. This was met with a wave of liberal ridicule for suggesting that there might possibly have been a bad side to abolition. Kameldung rambled on about Sharecroppers completely unable to comprehend or grasp that I was naturally referring to the immediate effects of abolition, not years thereafter. Then after posting a Guardian article from a Professor stating there was indeed such an occurance the back peddling has began on to why the slaves had such a hard time after abolition when prior to that not one of you would concede that it was so.

But as you mistakenly thought I was "shouting" about a "new" book .... perhaps its YOU that might need to start reading articles.
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Rushman seems to have expended a vast amount of energy in order to convey the idea that people suffered because of slavery.

Not really a new finding, but hey.
Clearly it was to all you lefties that were ridiculing me for daring to suggest it.
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Originally Posted by kimilseung View Post
he wanted a rejection of his claim

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How can you ruin a life that is already ruined?
Looks very much like I got it.
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Old Aug 21st 2019, 11:33 pm
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Your father, my granda and all their friends would all be rather disappointed in the way things turn out.
Yes. I said as much to MrBEVS a while ago.

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Old Aug 22nd 2019, 12:37 am
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Originally Posted by The Rushman View Post
Err .... youre indirectly quoting The Guardian article itself there not me so if any "shouting" is being done .... its by The Guardian journalist.


I have no argument with any of that so its pretty irrelevant as it was not part of my question to Leslie.


In the first place .... I had a simple question .... for Leslie.



No it wasnt the point, the point was if Leslie thought that some slaves mightve had a tougher time after the abolition. This was met with a wave of liberal ridicule for suggesting that there might possibly have been a bad side to abolition. Kameldung rambled on about Sharecroppers completely unable to comprehend or grasp that I was naturally referring to the immediate effects of abolition, not years thereafter. Then after posting a Guardian article from a Professor stating there was indeed such an occurance the back peddling has began on to why the slaves had such a hard time after abolition when prior to that not one of you would concede that it was so.

But as you mistakenly thought I was "shouting" about a "new" book .... perhaps its YOU that might need to start reading articles.
Quit saying my name every five seconds you weirdo. Do you have Tourettes?
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Quit saying my name every five seconds you weirdo. Do you have Tourettes?
No. I have the raging hots for you and hoped it might provoke a response.
Even if it was "**** off" ... then i could sleep soundly
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No. I have the raging hots for you and hoped it might provoke a response.
Even if it was "**** off" ... then i could sleep soundly
I told you to **** off yesterday. Do I have to say it every day?
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I wish you two would get a room.




Gawd this is just like old times.
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I wish you two would get a room.




Gawd this is just like old times.
That would ruin his plan to make everybody on BE vomit.
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Originally Posted by Leslie View Post
I told you to **** off yesterday. Do I have to say it every day?
No not everyday .... just when Ive got the baby lotion and kleenex to hand .... which i have right now ... nudge nudge wink wink.
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Originally Posted by kimilseung View Post
All this free stuff sounds like socialism to me. These slaves should be standing on their own two feet, pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps.
****ers, who do they think they are?

Originally Posted by The Rushman View Post
Where did you get that from you ****ing imbecile?

I havent advocated any such thing. Show me where I said theyd be "happier" if they were returned to slavery.
I said that there mustve been a certain number, no matter how few, that found themselves in a worse place immediately after slavery was abolished.
Perhaps you like to tell me if you agree or disagree with that because Leslie and that other dicksplash could only manage to be ambiguous and not say yes or no. I doubt you will either ...
Seriously, instead of trying to sound tough you could have been organising my new slaves. Hurry up now, where are they? I want some of the ones who are really keen to get back into it because it's better than being free (note - that last bit isn't actually sarcastic, I've no doubt they existed, which is why I can't fathom how you're managing to argue so much about the mental, emotional and physical wellbeing of slaves pre and post slavery as if it's binary).

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Doesn't liked being cornered or called out does he? He's the epitome of the UK's new extreme / alt right; - never actually say the words,,,,,,, but leave no doubt what is meant.
Time of the month? I think he's just a bit thick. Maybe got a chip on the shoulder about being a bit of a pleb which is why the internet hard man routine?

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So not one single slave found him/herself homeless, starving, malnourished and closer to death through starvation or beaten/killed at the hands of bitter overseers immediately after the end of slavery?

That you for clearing that up Alex Haley.
Why are you even arguing this? I don't think anyone is saying that every slave was happier being freed.

Try this, it's as simple as I can make it for you.
Slavery bad. Some slave happy free. Some slave not happy free.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Rushman seems to have expended a vast amount of energy in order to convey the idea that people suffered because of slavery.

Not really a new finding, but hey.
I'm staggered. It's been fun reading and replying though. I think you could put this person in an empty room and they'd come out arguing about something bizarre like happy/unhappy slaves, all whilst furiously bungee wanking to pictures of his Mum's toenails.
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****ers, who do they think they are?



Seriously, instead of trying to sound tough you could have been organising my new slaves. Hurry up now, where are they? I want some of the ones who are really keen to get back into it because it's better than being free (note - that last bit isn't actually sarcastic, I've no doubt they existed, which is why I can't fathom how you're managing to argue so much about the mental, emotional and physical wellbeing of slaves pre and post slavery as if it's binary).



Time of the month? I think he's just a bit thick. Maybe got a chip on the shoulder about being a bit of a pleb which is why the internet hard man routine?



Why are you even arguing this? I don't think anyone is saying that every slave was happier being freed.

Try this, it's as simple as I can make it for you.
Slavery bad. Some slave happy free. Some slave not happy free.



I'm staggered. It's been fun reading and replying though. I think you could put this person in an empty room and they'd come out arguing about something bizarre like happy/unhappy slaves, all whilst furiously bungee wanking to pictures of his Mum's toenails.
Blah blah blah ...(tag a few likeminded people in for strength in numbers) .... blah blah blah ... (admit there was a downside to abolition now a credible link has been posted ... dammit) .... blah blah blah .... (chuck in the word "binary" too because its an on trend lefty word and makes me look progressive .... blah blah blah ....(still dont answer his question about my infounded allegation cos he wont notice).

Funny, not one of you would concede that the abolition wasnt all roses for slaves untilthe Guardian article was posted but now youre all saying "Well of course" because theres no getting away from it now, especially as it was a Guardian article, if it had been from the Daily Mail youd still be collectively rounding on me for the suggestion. You even intimated that Im a racist for suggesting it, such is your dimwittedness.

Its an uncomfortable truth to your collective fragile sensibilities. Let me let you in to a little secret ... hold on to your soy latte. There isnt just left and right you know, there are people in the middle that think your both arseholes.

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Originally Posted by The Rushman View Post
Blah blah blah ...(tag a few likeminded people in for strength in numbers) .... blah blah blah ... (admit there was a downside to abolition now a credible link has been posted ... dammit) .... blah blah blah .... (chuck in the word "binary" too because its an on trend lefty word and makes me look progressive .... blah blah blah ....(still dont answer his question about my infounded allegation cos he wont notice).

Funny, not one of you would concede that the abolition wasnt all roses for slaves untilthe Guardian article was posted but now youre all saying "Well of course" because theres no getting away from it now, especially as it was a Guardian article, if it had been from the Daily Mail youd still be collectively roinding on me for the suggestion. You even intimated that Im a racist for suggesting it, such is your dimwittedness.

Its an uncomfortable truth to your collective fragile sensibilities. Let me let you in to a littke secret ... hold on to your soy latte. There isnt just left and right you know, there are people in the middle that think your both arseholes.
**** me. I thought you were just a bit dumb (it's quite obvious) but you're now getting twitchy and shouty and incoherent about people NOT arguing with you? It just doesn't make sense. We've all moved on, there's no need to be such a little crybaby bitch that people won't keep arguing over semantics.

Carry on if you like but I think I'll just leave you to it.
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Err .... youre indirectly quoting The Guardian article itself there not me so if any "shouting" is being done .... its by The Guardian journalist.
No, I was quoting you. It was you, The Rushman, who wittered on about an article in the Grauniad from seven years ago. FFS, there's even a warning at the top of the page that it's an old article.
Here's what you said:
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Oh look .... and from your favourite poncing newspaper no doubt.
Seems I was spot on.

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"Hundreds of thousands of slaves freed during the American civil war died from disease and hunger AFTER being liberated, according to a new book.

The analysis, by historian Jim Downs of Connecticut College, casts a shadow over one of the most celebrated narratives of American history, which sees the freeing of the slaves as a triumphant righting of the wrongs of a southern plantation system that kept millions of black Americans in chains."
Note how you quote from the article, insinuating that it is in fact "a new book'" when it is not. That's either lazy, wilfully deceptive, ignorant, or some combination of all three.

And then you doubled down:
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Im genuinely laughing my tits off.
Wont read a link from the bastion of lefty thinking because it smashes your opinion to tiny fragments. Write to tge Guardian and ask them for your fiver back.
Or just call me a troll instead (even though my history on this forum is plain to see). The fact is you were doing the trolling because I was asking Leslie but you wanted to dive in and daub your ill thought out opinions, a bit of cyber showponying and deliberate context twisting.
This is seriously funny. Youve been owned Sunshine.

Oh wait!!! I bet Conneticut University and the Authour are goosestepping Nazis right?

You are a absolute perineum.
Methinks the deliberate context twisting is only being squeezed out through one arsehole, here. And that's yours. And yet you didn't stop...

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Hundreds of thousands of slaves freed during the American civil war died from disease and hunger after being liberated, according to a new book.

The analysis, by historian Jim Downs of Connecticut College, casts a shadow over one of the most celebrated narratives of American history, which sees the freeing of the slaves as a triumphant righting of the wrongs of a southern plantation system that kept millions of black Americans in chains.
Yes, we know what the book says. What doesn't seem to be able to penetrate the denseness of your cranium is that this is not a surprise to anybody. You seem to be trying to pick a fight with people who are not disagreeing with you: it's been clear to anybody who thinks about it for more than a nanosecond that large numbers of freedmen and their families died from starvation and disease in the aftermath of the civil war. Quite a lot of slaves died from malnourishment and disease before the war, too; and significant numbers of not-former-slaves died from causes linked to destitution after the civil war as well.

I still can't quite see why you think anybody else is surprised by this, or why you seem to think it so newsworthy. But do carry on if you're nearly at the vinegar strokes.
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