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BristolUK Aug 6th 2019 9:15 pm

I don't really know where to put this
 
Texas police apologise after officers on horseback led black man by rope


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materialcontroller Aug 6th 2019 9:18 pm

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This should be a good one. Hehehehe.

:popcorn:

Lion in Winter Aug 6th 2019 9:25 pm

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Good people on all sides I'm sure.

Perhaps some of our BE friends will be along to tell us how it's time Black people in the US put slavery behind them.

mikelincs Aug 6th 2019 9:31 pm

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Saw that earlier on Twitter, seems like going back to the Wild West times.

Former Lancastrian Aug 6th 2019 10:06 pm

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Well its obvious for elf & safety reasons they couldn't transport him on the back of one of the horses as they had no spare stetson as safety headgear required.

The Rushman Aug 6th 2019 11:21 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12719681)
Good people on all sides I'm sure.

Perhaps some of our BE friends will be along to tell us how it's time Black people in the US put slavery behind them.

The majority have ..... its white middle class liberal do gooders that keep reminding them.

scrubbedexpat091 Aug 6th 2019 11:33 pm

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The police department has changed their policy and will no longer permit this. So that is a plus, hopefully it wont happen again.

"“We have immediately changed the policy to prevent the use of this technique and will review all mounted training and procedures for more appropriate methods.”

The Rushman Aug 6th 2019 11:40 pm

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Will they stop doing it to white guys too?

BristolUK Aug 6th 2019 11:41 pm

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I just don't understand how any police officer in any police department in any town in any state of the USA would imagine they could do this without it receiving any negative attention.

They must not read a newspaper, or pay any attention to the news at all.

scrubbedexpat097 Aug 7th 2019 1:29 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12719770)
I just don't understand how any police officer in any police department in any town in any state of the USA would imagine they could do this without it receiving any negative attention.

They must not read a newspaper, or pay any attention to the news at all.

You said any state. This is Texas, lots of Texans don't think they are any state. True story!
Sad but true.

I have had a 30 year love/hate relationship with Texas. I have a feeling that in the next couple of years we might permanently split! It's been really unreal a lot of the time but it's also been amazing. And then crap like this happens and my heart hurts when i see this and I am brought to tears by the horrific loss of innocent life in Santa Fe and El Paso. We are not moving forward. Times are changing for the worse.

So, yeah. It is Texas and it ain't good.

caretaker Aug 7th 2019 3:03 am

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Where to put this is probably in WTF in America, in the Trailer Park board.
https://britishexpats.com/forum/trai...27476/page521/

Scamp Aug 7th 2019 6:16 am

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Mind blowing. Just ****ing unreal and the comments about whether it would happen to a white guy and what the outcry would be just go to show how deeply ingrained the issues are.

Lion in Winter Aug 7th 2019 6:51 am

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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12719848)
Mind blowing. Just ****ing unreal and the comments about whether it would happen to a white guy and what the outcry would be just go to show how deeply ingrained the issues are.

Jim Crow operated here until 1968. Sharecropping, effectively indentured serfdom, ended only in the 1940s due to mechanization. People forget how recent this history is. And yes, so deeply ingrained that people don't see the issue or even that there is one.

Scamp Aug 7th 2019 7:17 am

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12719851)
Jim Crow operated here until 1968. Sharecropping, effectively indentured serfdom, ended only in the 1940s due to mechanization. People forget how recent this history is. And yes, so deeply ingrained that people don't see the issue or even that there is one.

I also forgive people for their ignorance on the topics sometimes. If you grew up and it was normal, why should the last 40 years of change IMMEDIATELY adjust the first 40 years of your life. Is that a reasonable expectation?
No, I'm not talking of those people who want to lynch folk, I'm talking the general attitude of the population.
When my generation (I'm in my early 30's) bring through another and another, it'll be pages in history we're ashamed of without only a very extreme minority saying 'yeah but imagine if that was a white guy' etc.

The Rushman Aug 7th 2019 7:37 am

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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12719848)
Mind blowing. Just ****ing unreal and the comments about whether it would happen to a white guy and what the outcry would be just go to show how deeply ingrained the issues are.

You missed the point.
If they wouldve/had/do it with a white guy then theres no problem as far as i see in doing the same to a black guy.
That is to say that two cops on horses detaining a person dont have many options in restraining a suspect and a ton of stupid on reins.
Both were treated equally.

Some people search for racist connotations where tbere are none so they can be the first to virtue signal.

"Oh well have to let this theif/rapist/mugger go otherwise well look like a 17th century plantation owner".
Brilliant bit of policing.

Scamp Aug 7th 2019 8:09 am

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Originally Posted by The Rushman (Post 12719860)
You missed the point.
If they wouldve/had/do it with a white guy then theres no problem as far as i see in doing the same to a black guy.
That is to say that two cops on horses detaining a person dont have many options in restraining a suspect and a ton of stupid on reins.
Both were treated equally.

Some people search for racist connotations where tbere are none so they can be the first to virtue signal.

"Oh well have to let this theif/rapist/mugger go otherwise well look like a 17th century plantation owner".
Brilliant bit of policing.

No, you've missed the point.

Them doing it to a white guy is (in my opinion) not acceptable, because it's a really crappy thing to do to an individual. How many white guys have they done it to? How many black guys before? I wonder how often it even happens.
Do it to a black guy and the connotations are there for anyone to see. In doing so, there's a huge possibility of upsetting or offending a large group of people.

Anyone who goes searching to be offended or for those links doesn't deserve any sympathy. However I definitely don't think that this is people searching for connotations, I think this instance it's blindingly obvious that it's not acceptable.

The cops had options, I'm sure of it. Stand and wait for a car to come for starters. I don't know the finite details of the situation, but I'd say the choice the made was a pretty shit one.
Perhaps the cops are the least racist people on earth and didn't even realise this would look bad - kudos to them, but also wake up a bit. Remember where you are and the heat in the country you're in at the moment. Stop and ****ing think for a second.

BristolUK Aug 7th 2019 12:27 pm

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Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12719823)
Where to put this is probably in WTF in America, in the Trailer Park board.

Seems logical. I just wanted to put it in parts of the forum where'd I'd visit, so the Canada and general part.

It wasn't appropriate for the WTF here because of the murder addition and it was more what astounded me than pissed me off. :nod:
And it was too big for random.

So I thought a new thread where people could put things that didn't fit with other threads.

Trouble is, I forgot to say so when I posted it. :o

I must have been that astounded :lol:


SultanOfSwing Aug 7th 2019 2:36 pm

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The Rushman Aug 7th 2019 2:49 pm

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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12719873)
No, you've missed the point.
Them doing it to a white guy is (in my opinion) not acceptable, because it's a really crappy thing to do to an individual. How many white guys have they done it to? How many black guys before? I wonder how often it even happens.
Do it to a black guy and the connotations are there for anyone to see. In doing so, there's a huge possibility of upsetting or offending a large group of people.

Dont agree. None of us were around during tbe slavery period to claim this was a common practice. I think the idea that it was came from hollywood.
So its a grey area in that respect.
Furthermore, lets assume it was done .... Ill bet a pound to a pinch of shit it was also done to white criminals.


Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12719873)
Anyone who goes searching to be offended or for those links doesn't deserve any sympathy. However I definitely don't think that this is people searching for connotations, I think this instance it's blindingly obvious that it's not acceptable.

Dont rule out offendatrons that are merely virtue signalling through their protestations. It happens.


Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12719873)
The cops had options, I'm sure of it.

No youre not, youre assuming.



Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12719873)
Stand and wait for a car to come for starters. I don't know the finite details of the situation, but I'd say the choice the made was a pretty shit one.
Perhaps the cops are the least racist people on earth and didn't even realise this would look bad - kudos to them, but also wake up a bit. Remember where you are and the heat in the country you're in at the moment. Stop and ****ing think for a second.

Youre fortunate in that your willibg to make a judgement without being in possession of the full facts.
I, however, prefer to hear both sides of a story rather than believe any old tripe internet article.

DaveLovesDee Aug 7th 2019 2:52 pm

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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12719873)
The cops had options, I'm sure of it. Stand and wait for a car to come for starters. I don't know the finite details of the situation, but I'd say the choice the made was a pretty shit one.

Do they carry the rope with them in case of times like this, or was it a spur of the moment decision? Had the suspect tripped, he wouldn't have been able to break his fall. That's a big safety no-no. He'd also have possibly dislocate his shoulders.

But, yes, they had options.
They could have waited for a vehicle transport.
One of the officers could have remained dismounted after handcuffing the suspect, and walked the suspect in while the other officer led the other horse.

But they chose neither option. I'd have had the same reaction whether the suspect was white, Hispanic, Black or tribal Indian, male or female, adult or child.

The Rushman Aug 7th 2019 2:58 pm

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12720003)
Do they carry the rope with them in case of times like this, or was it a spur of the moment decision? Had the suspect tripped, he wouldn't have been able to break his fall. That's a big safety no-no.

But, yes, they had options.
They could have waited for a vehicle transport.
One of the officers could have remained dismounted after handcuffing the suspect, and walked the suspect in while the other officer led the other horse.

But they chose neither option. I'd have had the same reaction whether the suspect was white, Hispanic, Black or tribal Indian, male or female, adult or child.

Im in kinda agreement.
There probavly were other options but there is also a possibilty that there wasnt.
I personally dont give a toss if he tripped.
My issue are
1. The unfounded automatic assumption that this was done because he was black and wouldnt have been done had he been white.
2. That the act itself was a realistic and deliberate attempt to glorify or nod towards slavery when theres littke evidence to suggest such an act was reserved just for blacks during that period.

Theres a bit of kneejerking going on without a wish for further clarification.


Jerseygirl Aug 7th 2019 2:59 pm

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Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12719823)
Where to put this is probably in WTF in America, in the Trailer Park board.
https://britishexpats.com/forum/trai...27476/page521/


Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12719956)
Seems logical. I just wanted to put it in parts of the forum where'd I'd visit, so the Canada and general part.

It wasn't appropriate for the WTF here because of the murder addition and it was more what astounded me than pissed me off. :nod:
And it was too big for random.

So I thought a new thread where people could put things that didn't fit with other threads.

Trouble is, I forgot to say so when I posted it. :o

I must have been that astounded :lol:


It is fine in here. Now we have a ‘Don’t Know Where to Put This’ thread for miscellaneous items.

BristolUK Aug 7th 2019 5:18 pm

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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12719873)
The cops had options, I'm sure of it. Stand and wait for a car to come for starters.


Originally Posted by The Rushman (Post 12720002)
No youre not, youre assuming.

Well, perhaps you could have read the statement from the police chief involved who said “First and foremost I must apologize to Mr Neely for this unnecessary embarrassment.... I believe our officers showed poor judgment in this instance and could have waited for a transport unit at the location of arrest."
Unnecessary, poor judgement and could have waited. Seems clear enough.

DaveLovesDee Aug 7th 2019 5:22 pm

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Originally Posted by The Rushman (Post 12720005)
My issues are
1. The unfounded automatic assumption that this was done because he was black and wouldnt have been done had he been white.
2. That the act itself was a realistic and deliberate attempt to glorify or nod towards slavery when theres littke evidence to suggest such an act was reserved just for blacks during that period.

Theres a bit of kneejerking going on without a wish for further clarification.

Plenty of white folk got lynched in the old Westerns too.

BristolUK Aug 7th 2019 5:31 pm

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12720006)
It is fine in here. Now we have a ‘Don’t Know Where to Put This’ thread for miscellaneous items.

I was going to ask that something be inserted in the opening comment as I intended, but I'm now wondering if a change of title might be better. :unsure:

Astounding acts of stupidity

Did they really think that was okay?

What happened to clear thinking?

Astounding feats and fails.

Yes, maybe that last one. It allows for more possibilities and embraces a current word used in YouTube compilations. Fails.


paulry Aug 7th 2019 6:09 pm

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12720056)
I was going to ask that something be inserted in the opening comment as I intended, but I'm now wondering if a change of title might be better. :unsure:

Astounding acts of stupidity

Did they really think that was okay?

What happened to clear thinking?

Astounding feats and fails.

Yes, maybe that last one. It allows for more possibilities and embraces a current word used in YouTube compilations. Fails.

How about "Assorted other triggernometry"? :p

SultanOfSwing Aug 7th 2019 6:18 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12720065)
How about "Assorted other triggernometry"? :p

https://media.giphy.com/media/l4Ki2o...WhFe/giphy.gif

DaveLovesDee Aug 7th 2019 6:36 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12720070)

Someone's taken offence..... Put that bloody fence back!! :p

Lion in Winter Aug 7th 2019 6:41 pm

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It never ceases to amaze me how desperate some people are to downplay, excuse and defend reprehensible behaviour. What sort of personal insecurity causes them to need their views to be validated constantly, to the point where they cannot accept any criticism of such behaviour?

A human being was treated in a disgraceful manner, and if you can't see the symbolism you are blind and ignorant of very recent US history. Equally, if you are not aware of the disparities between how white and black people are treated by the law, in everything from stop and search rates, arrest rates, police killings, standard of legal defense and sentencing then you need to educate yourself.

paulry Aug 7th 2019 7:24 pm

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12720075)
Someone's taken offence..... Put that bloody fence back!! :p

:lol:

"How to build offence and other DIY construction projects" :p

The Rushman Aug 7th 2019 7:47 pm

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12720051)
Well, perhaps you could have read the statement from the police chief involved who said “First and foremost I must apologize to Mr Neely for this unnecessary embarrassment.... I believe our officers showed poor judgment in this instance and could have waited for a transport unit at the location of arrest."
Unnecessary, poor judgement and could have waited. Seems clear enough.

Fair comment but look at the big picture .... cops are apologising to criminals for the mannwr of their arrest. Why?
Because of some bullshit imaginary link to slavery perpetuated by Hollywood and few historical records.

Ill wager Mr Neely doesnt apologise for his assumed crime until right after hes found guilty and just before sentencing.

Ridiculous.

Shouldve dragged him by his balls if they caught him red handed.

SultanOfSwing Aug 7th 2019 7:48 pm

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Originally Posted by The Rushman (Post 12720105)
Fair comment but look at the big picture .... cops are apologising to criminals for the mannwr of their arrest. Why?
Because of some bullshit imaginary link to slavery perpetuated by Hollywood and few historical records.

Ill wager Mr Neely doesnt apologise for his assumed crime until right after hes found guilty and just before sentencing.

Ridiculous.

Shouldve dragged him by his balls if they caught him red handed.

Bootlicker

The Rushman Aug 7th 2019 7:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12720077)
It never ceases to amaze me how desperate some people are to downplay, excuse and defend reprehensible behaviour. What sort of personal insecurity causes them to need their views to be validated constantly, to the point where they cannot accept any criticism of such behaviour?

A human being was treated in a disgraceful manner, and if you can't see the symbolism you are blind and ignorant of very recent US history. Equally, if you are not aware of the disparities between how white and black people are treated by the law, in everything from stop and search rates, arrest rates, police killings, standard of legal defense and sentencing then you need to educate yourself.

Typical "lets apologise to people who commit crime and get arrested for it" and "who cares if they treat whites the same ..... this guy was black" idiotic response from you.


The Rushman Aug 7th 2019 7:57 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12720106)
Bootlicker

Ive mellowed.

SultanOfSwing Aug 7th 2019 8:18 pm

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Originally Posted by The Rushman (Post 12720110)
Ive mellowed.

Clearly.

The Rushman Aug 7th 2019 9:36 pm

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12720051)
Well, perhaps you could have read the statement from the police chief involved who said “First and foremost I must apologize to Mr Neely for this unnecessary embarrassment.... I believe our officers showed poor judgment in this instance and could have waited for a transport unit at the location of arrest."
Unnecessary, poor judgement and could have waited. Seems clear enough.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...99863ecbe8.png
Seems the Police Chief said a bit more than your post suggested.

BristolUK Aug 7th 2019 11:36 pm

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Originally Posted by The Rushman (Post 12720148)
Seems the Police Chief said a bit more than your post suggested.

Yes he did. But you should have noticed the topic under discussion was whether there was any alternative.
Let me remind you:

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12719873)
The cops had options, I'm sure of it. Stand and wait for a car to come for starters.


Originally Posted by The Rushman (Post 12720002)
No youre not, youre assuming..

So with the conversation being about their choice and options - which were the parts I quoted - it seemed entirely reasonable to limit my comment and the police chief's quote to the part about choice and options. All perfectly normal :nod:


paulry Aug 8th 2019 1:05 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12720204)
So with the conversation being about their choice and options - which were the parts I quoted - it seemed entirely reasonable to limit my comment and the police chief's quote to the part about choice and options. All perfectly normal :nod:

Likewise, the trained technique as stated in the snippet. What isn't perfectly normal is the shudders that it's given some who appear to have been watching too many slavery movies.

scrubbedexpat098 Aug 8th 2019 1:24 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12720204)
Yes he did. But you should have noticed the topic under discussion was whether there was any alternative.
Let me remind you:


So with the conversation being about their choice and options - which were the parts I quoted - it seemed entirely reasonable to limit my comment and the police chief's quote to the part about choice and options. All perfectly normal :nod:

No, it was an "all aboard the outrage bus" post, at least be honest about it. These coppers were ignorant, insensitive, and pretty bloody stupid but the fact that there was no malicious intent has just stumped you. They haven't gone into defence mode, they realise that that photo on its own is indefensible so they've just held their hands up and said, yep we really messed up here and it won't happen again. Pointless keeping this alive, as all it does is stir up even more racial tension.

BristolUK Aug 8th 2019 1:34 am

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Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12720230)
No, it was an "all aboard the outrage bus" post

No it wasn't, it was about was there another choice available and the chief confirmed there was. That was a topic within the thread.

...the fact that there was no malicious intent has just stumped you.
That's a fact is it?


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