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Old Oct 11th 2019, 11:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 View Post
Democrats need to run someone new.

At this point being from a safe democrat state, I don't even think the next election is worth voting in.
With Trump in the White House there is no such thing as a safe state in America. Every vote counts. I hope no one takes this election for granted. Bush Jr won Florida by less than 700 votes. A chain is only as strong as it's links. Everyone must be strong in the up coming election cycle in order to protect what has been gained, and what is now at risk.
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Old Oct 12th 2019, 12:21 am
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Hell would have to freeze over for Trump to win California.

I'll most likely vote as I always do, just not a fan of any of the candidates.

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With Trump in the White House there is no such thing as a safe state in America. Every vote counts. I hope no one takes this election for granted. Bush Jr won Florida by less than 700 votes. A chain is only as strong as it's links. Everyone must be strong in the up coming election cycle in order to protect what has been gained, and what is now at risk.
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Old Oct 12th 2019, 12:45 am
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Hell would have to freeze over for Trump to win California.

I'll most likely vote as I always do, just not a fan of any of the candidates.
Please do vote JS. If nothing else, your vote will cancel out a Trump supporter's vote!
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The Electoral College Is Actually Worse Than You Think—Here’s Why

https://observer.com/2019/02/elector...ar-vote-loses/

"So let’s stop talking about states voting for the president. Let’s be clear. Each voter in California has one vote for president, but each voter in Wyoming has 57, a voter in North Dakota has 44, a voter in South Dakota has 39, a voter in Montana has 31, and a voter in Nebraska has 18. "
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US is a Republic.
This John Birch Society trope is often stated by all the independents!

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Old Oct 12th 2019, 6:27 am
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Originally Posted by johnwoo View Post
The Electoral College Is Actually Worse Than You Think—Here’s Why

https://observer.com/2019/02/elector...ar-vote-loses/

"So let’s stop talking about states voting for the president. Let’s be clear. Each voter in California has one vote for president, but each voter in Wyoming has 57, a voter in North Dakota has 44, a voter in South Dakota has 39, a voter in Montana has 31, and a voter in Nebraska has 18. "
If Hillary had beaten Trump in the Electoral College Vote not a word of complaint would have been heard. California will of course go to the Democrats and we can all go on in the same mess as we now are in this State. Lemmings all !

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Originally Posted by UkWinds5353 View Post
With Trump in the White House there is no such thing as a safe state in America. Every vote counts. I hope no one takes this election for granted. Bush Jr won Florida by less than 700 votes. A chain is only as strong as it's links. Everyone must be strong in the up coming election cycle in order to protect what has been gained, and what is now at risk.
The Democrats are their own worse enemies. They trot out a bunch of uninspiring, boring people all plugging ideas that are aimed at getting cheers but short on practicality. Serves em right
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Old Oct 14th 2019, 11:33 am
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If you do not wish hillary to run who else is there.Just a question there seems a huge void in american politicians capable of running against trump at the moment they need to sort it out quick or you know who will be back for four more years
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Old Oct 14th 2019, 3:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 View Post
Hell would have to freeze over for Trump to win California.

I'll most likely vote as I always do, just not a fan of any of the candidates.
I know what you mean about living in a progressive state and how that does shield that person to some degree. But the president of the United States has national powers that will be affected and felt in all 50 states. He picks appeal court judges that will rule on what rights Californian residents will be allowed to keep or lose. The president can determine if California can have the right to protect it's own water and air quality. The president can decide if immigrants can stay in America if they commit a minor criminal offense such as being arrested for a simple traffic violation that might not even be 100% their fault. The president can change the rules of so many rights that are held nationwide and make what is now legal into an illegal act.

When considering who is best to vote for, the measuring stick is not always gauged by who excites you most, but instead what candidates do you believe will do you the most harm. And in my opinion that is a very good reason to not view the contest as a beauty I like that person the most, but instead see it as I can't afford to leave in power the bat sh!t crazy person already in the White House. Getting rid of a president who is trying to do harm to me truly excites me.
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Old Oct 14th 2019, 3:52 pm
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The Democrats are their own worse enemies. They trot out a bunch of uninspiring, boring people all plugging ideas that are aimed at getting cheers but short on practicality. Serves em right
You just described every politician in every western world nation including the politicians you support. Voters like change but that usually mean change involving the other political party.
I'll take any of the three top democrat candidates over Trump who by the way has committed treason at least twice since being in the White House, that we know of.

I like my politicians who don't commit treason. BTW, I'm a registered republican and I support America over my political leanings.
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If you do not wish hillary to run who else is there.Just a question there seems a huge void in american politicians capable of running against trump at the moment they need to sort it out quick or you know who will be back for four more years
I don't fear a Impeached Donald Trump in the 2020 election. My concern will be with Independents and Democrats that listen to the propaganda from the GOP machine. They(Gop) will squeak loudly about how Trump will win and they will do so out of fear. But the polls in the main states of PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan have Trump losing to all the top three democrat contenders by at least 7%. . Trump is also in trouble in Iowa, Arizona, and Florida. Biden, Warren and Sanders will win.
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Originally Posted by UkWinds5353 View Post
I don't fear a Impeached Donald Trump in the 2020 election. My concern will be with Independents and Democrats that listen to the propaganda from the GOP machine. They(Gop) will squeak loudly about how Trump will win and they will do so out of fear. But the polls in the main states of PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan have Trump losing to all the top three democrat contenders by at least 7%. . Trump is also in trouble in Iowa, Arizona, and Florida. Biden, Warren and Sanders will win.
I used to think trump might be ok .my mind has been changed over recent months. The world needs a good strong american president but from what i understand is there anyone there ,I do hope so we all need one.as an outside observer just an opinion not a judgement
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I used to think trump might be ok .my mind has been changed over recent months. The world needs a good strong american president but from what i understand is there anyone there ,I do hope so we all need one.as an outside observer just an opinion not a judgement
I totally agree about the importance of America having a strong president. Trump is definitely not and has not shown himself to be strong. Bombastic yes, strong not even close. And the sad thing is he could have become a great president had he stuck to many of his promises instead of using the White House to monetize his job to fill his bank accounts. We don't know exactly how many side deals this man has cut but I'm willing to bet there are Swiss and Panamanian accounts with millions if not billions of dollars thanks to Trump's slick deals with foreign and domestic contributors.

There was one extremely wealthy family that had been caught red handed committing financial crimes and he was suppose to pay a fine of nearly one billion dollars based on a ruling from the Obama Administration. Once Trump came into power his cronies decided to lower the fine to 50m out of the blue, and for no explained reason one month before the deadline to pay up. This particular case was investigated to see if the people involved had warranted a reduction in the fine and no one could explain how they managed to get such a huge reduction. What deal did Trump cut for these people and was quid pro quo involved? And if you read his book, Trump is very big on Quid pro quo.

There are so many foreign and domestic unexplained backroom deals that have been cut by the Trump administration including the unusually close ties between Trump and the Saudis which has left many observers to wonder what is Trump gaining from all these changes and especially when these new deals don't benefit the American government or the country's national security.

I think Republicans like myself will be shocked at just how many avenues Trump has used to make more wealth for his pockets by using his job as president to enrich himself. It's scary and we've never seen any president this crooked and blantant. And I too have Republican friends that have totally changed their mind about Trump. He is a New York conman.
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...using the White House to monetize his job to fill his bank accounts...I think Republicans like myself will be shocked at just how many avenues Trump has used to make more wealth for his pockets by using his job as president to enrich himself.
Maybe. When you hear of all the military people paying to stay at his golf resorts and lining his pockets from public monies for the expenses, hotel deals in Moscow and stuff like that, it seems to me that he could just stick with that and not bother with the other things that get so much negative attention.

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Maybe. When you hear of all the military people paying to stay at his golf resorts and lining his pockets from public monies for the expenses, hotel deals in Moscow and stuff like that, it seems to me that he could just stick with that and not bother with the other things that get so much negative attention.
Bristol I so agree with you that the average person would think Trump would be satisfied with his openly blatant hotel and golf means of monetizing the White House. But this man is not the usual crook. He spends every waking moment looking for ways to bilk the system including cutting deals with the airports near his golf club in Scotland and then redirecting official air force flights from military airports, to the civilian airports in order to force military crewman and other military personnel to stay at Trump properties. That is a fact!

This information was learned about one month ago but the public in America is so over loaded with everything Trump that we have become less shocked by the shear insanity of it all.

Now it appears that Trump has cut some kind of deal with the Turkish leader, where Trump has hotels in Turkey, and that is why we pulled our troops out of Syria and allowed Russia, Turkey and Syria to divide up Syria without any practical or even impractical reason for pulling our troops out of Syria and thus creating a power vacuum in the middle east and turning our backs on the Kurds. Why?

I'm willing to bet money is the bottom line for these changes because nothing else can explain why Trump has made this historic blunder. Thousands are going to be murdered so Trump can monetize his power to decide where our Troops are used in the world. He can't even come up with a good excuse why our troops were pulled out of Syria. Trump tried to say the decision was made because he wanted to stop sending our soldiers to foreign lands. But the idiot killed that excuse by turning around four days later and sending 1500 American soldiers to Saudi Arabia.

The sad thing is the American Constitution was not design to be a check on the power's of the presidency when other branches are refusing to play their role as representatives of the people. Congress is doing their best to stop a criminal president with considerable results but the Senate is essentially missing in action and at worse aiding and abetting his crimes. I've never seen in all my days of watching and being involved in politics, seeing so many officials in one administration or connected to it, either being charged for crimes or convicted for them.

Democrats if they understand what is happening need to run on getting rid of corruption in Washington because most voters can see the new reality that is taking place.
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