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Old Jun 2nd 2020, 8:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Oakvillian View Post
well, inasmuch as a "Christian satire" isn't just so meta-satirical that it's beyond funny and out the other side, yes. But the Babylon Bee is several shades of crap compared to the Onion, or even (in a Canadian context) the Beaverton's content. The Christian Right doesn't actually do satire very well...
I haven't investigated but the 2 or 3 items I looked at suggested the christian right was being satirised.
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Old Jun 2nd 2020, 9:01 pm
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Originally Posted by BristolUK View Post
I haven't investigated but the 2 or 3 items I looked at suggested the christian right was being satirised.
not so much. Take, for example, this supposedly hilarious piece on Colin Kaepernick in the context of the Minneapolis riots: https://babylonbee.com/news/rioters-...lin-kaepernick
It starts out poorly enough:
Colin Kaepernick arrived at the Minneapolis riots last night, saying he was excited to be a part of the looting and violence.
Hilarious, no?
And the ending is the kicker:
The former quarterback quickly blamed his failed rioting career on racism.

Yeah. Abso-frickin-lutely hilarious, guys, well done
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Old Jun 2nd 2020, 11:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Oakvillian View Post
not so much. Take, for example, this supposedly hilarious piece on Colin Kaepernick in the context of the Minneapolis riots: https://babylonbee.com/news/rioters-...lin-kaepernick
It starts out poorly enough:Hilarious, no?
And the ending is the kicker:
Yeah. Abso-frickin-lutely hilarious, guys, well done
You're right, it is awful. One I read earlier was this Trump: 'I Have Done More For Christianity Than Jesus'
That's really not something I'd have expected from the Christian right.
I'm a bit confused about it now.
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Old Jun 2nd 2020, 11:01 pm
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MINNEAPOLIS, MN—In a powerful display of their care for love and justice, protesters in Minneapolis burned the word "LOVE" into the city, arranging the inspiring message with homes and businesses set ablaze by their riots.

Heartfelt and moving.

"We just really wanted to show how much we care about love and social justice by burning this community into a powerful reminder of what it's all about," said local protester Jake Hernandez, who had flown in from Portland for the event. "Now, when police and fire helicopters fly over to try to restore order, they'll be inspired by our message of love and harmony."

"Study: Babylon Bee’s Satire Gets Shared by People Who Think It’s Real"

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"Study: Babylon Bee’s Satire Gets Shared by People Who Think It’s Real"


[snort]



Looks like the crop circle people.
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Old Jun 3rd 2020, 12:00 am
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You're right, it is awful. One I read earlier was this Trump: 'I Have Done More For Christianity Than Jesus'
That's really not something I'd have expected from the Christian right. I'm a bit confused about it now.
Yeah he's more popular than Jesus now.
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Old Jun 3rd 2020, 12:15 am
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Probably the nearest thing the US has to Private Eye.
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Old Jun 3rd 2020, 1:12 am
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Probably the nearest thing the US has to Private Eye.
Without BB having their own Ian Hislop, who was well on-form in the last episode.....



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Old Jun 3rd 2020, 3:48 am
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Body Cameras should not have an on/off option available to the wearer, since it has been demonstrated time and again that the wearer cannot be trusted with such a feature. In fact, considering how many seem to "break" at specific points in the proceedings, maybe each uniform should contain multiple cams. I mean, they cant all break at once. Right?
The evidence that police body cams have the beneficial effects is actually pretty debatable:

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...as-looking-for
The majority of studies show no reduction in police use of force but they do show a significantly higher rate of complaints and arrests for assaults on the police by citizens.

Some studies do show "more productive in terms of making arrests, had fewer complaints lodged against them relative to officers without body-worn cameras, and had higher numbers of citizen complaints resolved in their favor."
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/...dence-tells-us

All of this research is pretty new and debatable. Overall, I believe police body cams are on balance a very good idea but that's just an opinion.
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Old Jun 3rd 2020, 3:58 am
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James Baldwin: “Who is looting whom? Grabbing off the TV set? He doesn’t really want the TV set. He’s saying screw you…He wants to let you know he’s there…The mass media-television and all the major news agencies – endlessly use that word “looter.” On television you always see Black hands reaching in, you know. And so the American public concludes that these savages are trying to steal everything from us, and no one has seriously tried to get where the trouble is. After all, you’re accusing a captive population who has been robbed of everything of looting. I think it’s obscene.”
What a bunch of twisted logic bullshit. People loot because they want free stuff. Looting is not a viable way to demonstrate against "the man" and oppression. Give me a ****ing break. The people looting those 30 stores in downtown Naperville sure were oppressed and "robbed of everything". JFC, the shit some people want to believe so badly.
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What a bunch of twisted logic bullshit. People loot because they want free stuff. Looting is not a viable way to demonstrate against "the man" and oppression. Give me a ****ing break. The people looting those 30 stores in downtown Naperville sure were oppressed and "robbed of everything". JFC, the shit some people want to believe so badly.
Maybe you should have a little lie down. That was written about 60 years ago. It is, and was, meant to provoke thought. Some people might even want to have a thoughtful exchange of ideas and understand the complexities of what's going on. Not all of us of course.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Baldwin

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Old Jun 3rd 2020, 9:04 am
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What a bunch of twisted logic bullshit. People loot because they want free stuff. Looting is not a viable way to demonstrate against "the man" and oppression. Give me a ****ing break. The people looting those 30 stores in downtown Naperville sure were oppressed and "robbed of everything". JFC, the shit some people want to believe so badly.
This would seem more like it in the main.
https://www.foxla.com/news/looter-ex...z0USII3cHcJxLI

I was surprised to see you mention Naperville, it's been a long time since I was there but it seemed a pretty docile kind of place

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Old Jun 3rd 2020, 10:51 am
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Originally Posted by johnwoo View Post

"Study: Babylon Bee’s Satire Gets Shared by People Who Think It’s Real"

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
[snort]



Looks like the crop circle people.
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Yeah he's more popular than Jesus now.
Does anyone see a pattern here? A few examples:

Routinely accusing the opposition of being gullible, yet unwittingly subscribing to some of the most absurd, implausible and easily debunked conspiracy theories imaginable, yet dogmatically clinging to them even though proven as nonsense.

Routinely engaging in clear "virtue signalling" yet routinely accusing the "opposition" of same.

An irrefutable consistent pattern of lies and mistruths, yet claiming this is the standard MO of the "opposition".

Consistent claims of the nebulous, yet nefarious "deep state", yet nothing would delight them more than to establish a "deep state" of their very own.

There's plenty more.

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Old Jun 3rd 2020, 12:29 pm
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The evidence that police body cams have the beneficial effects is actually pretty debatable:

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...as-looking-for
The majority of studies show no reduction in police use of force but they do show a significantly higher rate of complaints and arrests for assaults on the police by citizens.

Some studies do show "more productive in terms of making arrests, had fewer complaints lodged against them relative to officers without body-worn cameras, and had higher numbers of citizen complaints resolved in their favor."
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/...dence-tells-us

All of this research is pretty new and debatable. Overall, I believe police body cams are on balance a very good idea but that's just an opinion.
It's a good opinion. Body cam videos (with audio) records the truth and therefore protects everyone.
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Old Jun 3rd 2020, 12:34 pm
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Where to start ......

OK, there is NO bar, only the drive and acumen to get where you want to get to. Obama was a black kid of a single parent, doesn't get much more of a basic start than that.

Whilst there clearly was historic racism and indeed may be some small degree today (may), the principle problem of blacks in the US is one of culture - they don't value education and don't bring kids up in a stable family culture.

Clearly this is not the case for all, but we are talking generalities. Where I used to work we had to "garnish" quite a number of men's wages as they were not paying the appropriate amount to their "baby mommas" - this was massively swayed towards the black workers. Many black kids grow up with no father figure or an entirely inept one, which just perpetrates the cycle.

Other migrants who also experienced significant racism and bigotry in the past, such as Chinese or Japanese or Vietnamese all value education and hard work - they have all thrived in the US and Asians on average earn more than whites. They aren't rioting much as well, although it is often their stores that are being attacked. Even the more recent Latino migrants earn more than US blacks - they have a different culture.

This behaviour is down to a culture that promotes economic failure and leaves the proponents of said culture disproportionately poor and subsequently disproportionately aggrieved at their lot in life. Why would those who have made a success of their lives want to riot? (aside from the antifa lot who are mostly up for a rumble regardless).

Another key driver is the identity politics agenda and associated data-bending - we can all manipulate stats to get the result we want. When the victimhood industry wants to rent-seek they can twist data to suit their current victim status and argue for government or corporate change in the light of this "data". I gave you a Harvard study of the ethnicity of deaths by cop earlier ..... deathly silence. The media are complicit in this too - saying that there is no significant racism/sexism/otherism isn't selling advertising space! This is very damaging for the target group, being repeatedly told that "the man" won't let them succeed, they will always do worse, etc etc can suppress the ambition of many and make many angry at these false stats.

What's gone wrong is the acceptance of a black culture of failure to achieve, indolence, anti-authority (resisting arrest seems to be a surefire route to problems), anti-education, anti-family responsibility and so-on. If your target in life is to have a few baby-mommas and make it big in rap singing about bitches and popping a cap in the pop-po's ass, as opposed to getting an education and diligently working, saving and making a life, then you are realistically going to end up on the bottom of the pile as are your offspring. Again, we are talking generalities, there are plenty of fine hard-working upstanding black people - sometimes the ones who own the shops currently being torched or who are working in the near 25% of the police force who are non-white.
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