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Old Jun 27th 2020, 2:17 am
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It seems like an appropriate place and time to put this.

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Old Jun 30th 2020, 11:13 am
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Back on topic

Did you know that 2 of the officers made bond and no longer in prison?
Lane and Kueng are free on bond.

Believe it or not when scrolling through multiple news sites this morning CNN, BBC, Minneapolis Star Tribune (paywall now) USA Today the best story I found giving a bit more detail was surprise surprise the Daily Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...OT-GUILTY.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/us/ge...urt/index.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rt/3278299001/

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-up...orge-floyd-dea
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Old Aug 5th 2020, 8:07 pm
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Some body cam footage has been leaked.

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Old Aug 5th 2020, 8:14 pm
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Some body cam footage has been leaked.

https://youtu.be/YPSwqp5fdIw
The obvious fear that he displays is a lesson in itself....... and a further condemnation of those who killed him.

It not only took one to kneel on his neck, it also took the others to do nothing.
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Surely the defence didn't leak that video
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Old Aug 5th 2020, 9:09 pm
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the best story I found giving a bit more detail was surprise surprise the Daily Mail
The rise of the Daily Mail in America is not such a surprise any more, but its increasing coverage of American issues, and trumping US media to those stories is still a bit surprising, though we can see why, as its audience continues to be more American. I have found myself increasingly being funneled to it. Though its, its overly intrusive advertising, rather than politics or snobbery that keep getting me to not follow those leads. (I put up with it for this story)
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Jesus.
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Old Aug 6th 2020, 7:57 pm
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I have been in the U.S.A now for 17 years. I am always astounded when I see on T.V 10 or more cop cars after one speeding vehicle.
The police have no idea what they are going to encounter so rely on a show of force and numbers. Who knows what kind of weapons the people they are perusing may have or use.
The second amendment gives citizens the right to bear arms, but I see no reason why anyone except for, hunters, the army and a special response team (think that is what they have in the U.K now).should ever need one.
The to defend myself argument for me does not work. I believe the misinformation from advertisers, and companies that are eager to sell us " defensive", and "security" products" have bred and fed a culture of fear of our neighbors and anything we see as strange.
This culture rubs off on those who are there to defend and serve us, the police.
" I am afraid this man of a different color than me will hurt me, therefore I will act with overwhelming force and think that anything he says is a lie."

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Despite the obvious death wish demonstrated by walking away from armed police while black in the US, should Jacob Blake, apparently unarmed, have been shot seven times in the back?


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53886070

Probably not, eh? Could a whole group of armed police not control the situation better than that?
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Despite the obvious death wish demonstrated by walking away from armed police while black in the US, should Jacob Blake, apparently unarmed, have been shot seven times in the back?


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53886070

Probably not, eh? Could a whole group of armed police not control the situation better than that?
Why bother? Far easier to "neutralise" the situation.
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Despite the obvious death wish demonstrated by walking away from armed police while black in the US, should Jacob Blake, apparently unarmed, have been shot seven times in the back?


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53886070

Probably not, eh? Could a whole group of armed police not control the situation better than that?
Probably not indeed. And his three kids were in the car and saw the whole thing No doubt someone or another will be along to 'explain' why it was entirely Mr Blake's fault that he was murdered.
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Why bother? Far easier to "neutralise" the situation.

My mechanic, a former policeman in Iran under the Shah (no, really) so not really your classic "snowflake liberal" is constantly amazed by the inability of armed police here to control a situation without killing people. He thinks it's a sign of incompetence.
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Probably not indeed. And his three kids were in the car and saw the whole thing No doubt someone or another will be along to 'explain' why it was entirely Mr Blake's fault that he was murdered.

This is why black families here coach their children on what to do and not do if stopped by police. Imagine having to do that with your children just to avoid them getting killed.

It's not normal.

He's not dead yet, I don't think. Serious condition in hospital, by some miracle.

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My mechanic, a former policeman in Iran under the Shah (no, really) so not really your classic "snowflake liberal" is constantly amazed by the inability of armed police here to control a situation without killing people. He thinks it's a sign of incompetence.
It’s got to be incompetence. It’s hard to believe that so many police officers criminally, or maliciously, simply enjoy killing people. Or place so little value on human life.

But, as with gun violence and lack of effective health care in America, nothing can be done about it. Because, god forbid that America could look at international comparisons to try to improve the dismal performance of government in America.
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It’s got to be incompetence. It’s hard to believe that so many police officers criminally, or maliciously, simply enjoy killing people. Or place so little value on human life.

But, as with gun violence and lack of effective health care in America, nothing can be done about it. Because, god forbid that America could look at international comparisons to try to improve the dismal performance of government in America.
I don't understand why people settle for these standards. Why have these things been accepted as inevitable, or, worse yet, as virtues?

As for the police, I have very few insights. I did know someone who trained as a police officer in Chicago (she subsequently left the force) and her comment was that there was a huge emphasis on domination and escalation of loudness and overbearing behaviour on the theory that this would cow and frighten people into obedience, and control the situation that way. If that's the case, it doesn't seem to work.
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